#1
Does anyone here think that performing inside picking during shredding runs is INCREDIBLY difficult compared to outside picking?

one or two occasional inside picks during a long is not too bad, but a run where the transition to the next string involves inside picking everytime is ridiculous!

For example,

I can blaze down the neck on the top two strings using an alternate picking 3 note per string pattern going up the neck, and then back down in a given scale - using outside picking

however, performing the same pattern using inside picking is downright ridiculous - I feel like the motion for inside picking is way too delicate and exacting at very high speeds.

for the most part, I write my parts and choose certain strings and positions in order to completely avoid inside picking (for example, maybe playing 4 ascending notes on a string before transitioning to the next string instead of 3 notes to avoid inside picking).
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#2
You're used to playing with outside picking - Try doing your alternate picking exercises using inside picking instead.
#3
Quote by psychosylocibin
for the most part, I write my parts and choose certain strings and positions in order to completely avoid inside picking (for example, maybe playing 4 ascending notes on a string before transitioning to the next string instead of 3 notes to avoid inside picking).

avoidance s not a good solution you'll eventually grow tired of that.
just practice more inside picking runs.

I have the opposite problem. outside picking is more awkward to me.
#4
It's just a matter of practising both.

No secret - players generally prefer one or the other, but even so, you owe it to yourself to get a functional command of inside picking.
#5
Quote by Freepower
It's just a matter of practising both.

No secret - players generally prefer one or the other, but even so, you owe it to yourself to get a functional command of inside picking.



True, you should focus on your weak points the most. It's the strangest thing, the difference between my inside picking skill and outside picking skill is tremendous.

Give me an alternate outside picking passage and I can shred and sound (half as good) as petrucci.

give me an alternate inside picking passage and I get reduced to 14 year old guitar noob at guitar center tripping over himself.

After I conquer inside picking its time to conquer sweep picking and wide-stretch legatos.
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#6
Im assuming inside picking is upstrokes, right?

If so, then yes. My upstrokes alone suck, i alternate/economy pick everything..


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Im assuming inside picking is upstrokes, right?

If so, then yes. My upstrokes alone suck, i alternate/economy pick everything..


No, outside picking is when the motion of picking two strings is around the outside of the strings, like a down on the low A and then an up on the A, whereas inside is the opposite; up on the low E, down on the A.
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#9
I'm in the same position....been practicing inside picking for years and it hasn't gotten any easier. No matter how slow I practice the motion of inside picking is so unnatural to me. It hinders my playing tremendously especially when doing 3nps runs.
#10
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I'm in the same position....been practicing inside picking for years and it hasn't gotten any easier. No matter how slow I practice the motion of inside picking is so unnatural to me. It hinders my playing tremendously especially when doing 3nps runs.

Ususally (especially) if it never improves... I'm guessing there is probably something going on that you're not fully aware of - that you need to see with your own eyes.
You might want to try inside picking exercise in isolation. Don't play any notes just muted strings - until you get the hang of it.

Watch your hand for excessive bounce, and then look in a mirror to see it from the front. What is different between your outside and inside picking? You need to find out.

All things being equal.... inside picking is easier than outside picking 2 adjacent strings. By that I mean it's less work and it's more efficient.

IMO what gives people trouble is this... when outside picking, the follow-through leads you towards the next string.
when inside picking, you have to pick, then put on the brakes and reverse backward to the next pick stroke.
That reversal can cause people to slightly tense up... And even a miniscule amount of that can prevent you from getting a smooth even flow when you inside pick.
Maybe if you post a video example of each, you can get some feedback.
#11
^ I'd just like to point out that "putting on the brakes" is necessary at some point in either pickstroke. If you downstroke the low E and upstroke the A - "outside picking" - you need to down pick past the A, "brake" and up pick.
#12
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^ I'd just like to point out that "putting on the brakes" is necessary at some point in either pickstroke. If you downstroke the low E and upstroke the A - "outside picking" - you need to down pick past the A, "brake" and up pick.

of course true for any alt picking, you're always changing direction.
The difference with straight 2-string inside vs. outside... is in the "follow-through" of the pick stroke.
With outside, the actual string hits lead you from one string toward the next. With inside... they lead you the wrong direction every hit.... And there is a tiny bit of momentum when your pick releases a string.

It's just my opinion/observation... that people who struggle with inside, are usually having trouble with that ^ part of it specifically.
I don't claim it's any more difficult than outside picking once you get the hang of it.
#13
With outside, the actual string hits lead you from one string toward the next. With inside... they lead you the wrong direction every hit...


And equally, while it leads you to the right string, you've got to jump over it and then pick that string in the "wrong direction".

Which is obviously the most common problem with learning to outside pick. That's why Gilbert, MAB and DiMeola focus on it so much.
#14
Check out some Mark Morton solos.

A lot of blues guys use inside because it takes more effort and thus more strength as a player.
It just lets you dig in a bit more than outside picking.
#15
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Check out some Mark Morton solos.

A lot of blues guys use inside because it takes more effort and thus more strength as a player.
It just lets you dig in a bit more than outside picking.


Uhhh... no? Outside picking doesn't somehow limit the amount of force you can put behind an attack, you're talking crap
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#16
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Check out some Mark Morton solos.

A lot of blues guys use inside because it takes more effort and thus more strength as a player.
It just lets you dig in a bit more than outside picking.

Different picking motions and techniques have nothing to do with strength or force.

TS, you just need to practice it so it feels more natural. Try this little lick:

e|-------------------------------------
B|-------------------------------------
G|-------------------------------------
D|-------5-----------------5-----------
A|-5-7-8---8-7-5-7-8-5-7-8---8-7-5-7-8-
E|-------------------------------------
   D U [B]D U[/B] D U D U D U D [B]U D[/B] U D U D U


The first time you play the G (5th fret D string) it will be outside picking. The next time will be inside.
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And equally, while it leads you to the right string, you've got to jump over it and then pick that string in the "wrong direction".

Which is obviously the most common problem with learning to outside pick. That's why Gilbert, MAB and DiMeola focus on it so much.

I've also heard Gilbert (and Petrucci) express their dislike of inside picking.
Shouldn't really matter should it?
#19
Me and Greg howe have something in common then
I'm working to be equally comfortable at both.