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I was walking home today from the school I work at, and I walked past a Costcutter. (Chain of small corner shops) and I as I walked past there was a sign saying "No more than 2 young people allowed".

I wouldn't be classed as a young person myself, if there was already 2 young people in their I could of gone in myself. But I was honestly offended by this, is this legal?

Surely it's a form of discrimination right? It's stopping people entering the shop based on age.

I don't know if there was a reason behind it, such as a lot of shoplifting was done there by young people, or the owners just hate kids. If I had a picture, i'd post it.

What do you guys think, is this right?
#2
The reasoning will be shoplifting, and I'd be annoyed if I didn't go to school with 500 amoral little halfwit alcoholics.
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#3
I know a lot of places that do it. Quite a few independent retailers around my town have signs which say that groups of more than 3 people are not allowed in. It's just security really. Better safe than sorry.
#4
Its his business, he do what ever he want IMO.

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#5
Okay, shoplifting. But is that a reason to suspect all young people of it, and deny them access to a shop? Granted a shop isn't a public place so you can deny anyone you want access to, as long as the reason isn't based on age,gender,race,religion etc. Right?

When I was younger, I never shoplifted. Does that mean that if I had wanted to go into the shop I wouldn't of been allowed because people like me do it?
#6
Private property, they have the right to let who they want in.

It's like people who argue with bouncers when they get kicked out of the bar I work in for being drunk. "You can't throw me out, I have a right to be here, you know!". No, you don't. The manager of the bar has granted you the privilege of entrance. Now fuck off.
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It's not different than writing on stores:"No jews allowed"
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Its his business, he do what ever he want IMO.

"of"? Seriously?...


if we're going to bitch about language, it's "wants".

and i have a shop near me that does that. no big deal, sometimes they get tens of school kids trying to get in.
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I know a lot of places that do it. Quite a few independent retailers around my town have signs which say that groups of more than 3 people are not allowed in. It's just security really. Better safe than sorry.

Yeah. 12 kids aren't usually going in there to shop peaceably.
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It's not different than writing on stores:"No jews allowed"


That's what I agree with.

Okay, you can ban certain people for shoplifting or being drunk or just a general arse. But you can't discriminate on a type of person based on their age.
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That's what I agree with.

Okay, you can ban certain people for shoplifting or being drunk or just a general arse. But you can't discriminate on a type of person based on their age.


evidently you can. 12 year olds can be a pain in the ass. they don't have time to evaluate your personality to see whether you fit the 'pain in the ass' criteria. just wait in the line and respect the shop owner lets you in to begin with.

oh, and i'm pretty sure your quote was sarcastic.
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If you haven't got any CCTV and you have 500 kids in your shop, it's pretty easy for one of them to grab a handful of chocolate and put it in their pocket without you noticing.


Maybe so, but who says it's not the same with adults? May be a magazine, bottle of alcohol. It's not just kids who shoplift.
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Okay, shoplifting. But is that a reason to suspect all young people of it, and deny them access to a shop? Granted a shop isn't a public place so you can deny anyone you want access to, as long as the reason isn't based on age,gender,race,religion etc. Right?

When I was younger, I never shoplifted. Does that mean that if I had wanted to go into the shop I wouldn't of been allowed because people like me do it?

It's shit, it's discrimination, but meh. A bunch of the guys who do that around here have swastikas spray painted on their shops occasionally so I feel they can discriminate a little bit.

And **** kids. Seriously. If you can get discounts on transport and a bunch of other crap then you can wait outside NISA for five minutes.
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Yea that happens where I live too. What really annoys me is when I'm in line waiting to pay and a older person in front of me pays for something with, lets say, a one-hundred dollar bill. The cashier just takes it and lets him got. Then when I pay with a 10 or 20 and they look at it for like 5 minutes trying to see if it's fake.
I guess because I'm young, thats means I have access to a vast amount of counterfeit money.
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#17
Slap the owner with a class action lawsuit on behalf of all the traumatized youngsters in the community. Being made to feel like second class citizens, I tell ya.
#18
Regardless of the owners reasons, is it right to do that? What do people think
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idk.. i went into a knife/gun shop at a mall the other day, and they had signs everywhere saying that you can't touch ANYTHING unless you're over 16. I understand the reasoning behind this, but I also wondered whether or not this discrimination is legal.

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#20
Its an owners right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Employment is different, which is what I think you might be thinking of.

Plus, there are plenty of other examples that refuse service based on age. Bars and sex shops of the top of my head.
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discrimination isnt a bad thing: I descriminate between cerial and lunch for my breakfast because it isnt healty, toilets are designed around hte idea of discriminating between the sexes.

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Its an owners right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Employment is different, which is what I think you might be thinking of.
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Okay, but regardless if it's legal. Is it right?

I'm sure if there was a sign saying "No more than 2 christians/muslims/buddhists" in at any one time, people would feel different. But it really isn't any different.
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It's not different than writing on stores:"No jews allowed"


This. And I think this is as bad as if they single Muslim people out at an airport.
#24
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Maybe so, but who says it's not the same with adults? May be a magazine, bottle of alcohol. It's not just kids who shoplift.


as a whole, adults are generally more mature and know that they will stand in a court of law if caught shoplifting. Children usually escape with a police caution and a ban from the shop.

If you don't like their rules, don't shop there.
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Okay, but regardless if it's legal. Is it right?

I'm sure if there was a sign saying "No more than 2 christians/muslims/buddhists" in at any one time, people would feel different. But it really isn't any different.


you think it's right to get rid of age-based laws? well why stop at shops? let's stop discrimination of any kind, re-establish the natural order so natural selection isn't held back by silly seat-belts and laws. great, right?

great, we'll have drunk jaundiced 11 year olds traumatized by sodomy because they were curious about porn and it's open to anyone now.
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as a whole, adults are generally more mature and know that they will stand in a court of law if caught shoplifting. Children usually escape with a police caution and a ban from the shop.

If you don't like their rules, don't shop there.


It's a good point, but are the rules fair? That's what im trying to get it.

One kid stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 kids in here at once.

Is the same as

One muslim stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 muslims in here at once.

You can subtitute muslim for anything...an elderly person, a woman, a christian. It doesn't matter what.
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It only counts as age discrimination if it's aimed at the elderly.
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It's a good point, but are the rules fair? That's what im trying to get it.

One kid stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 kids in here at once.

Is the same as

One muslim stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 muslims in here at once.

You can subtitute muslim for anything...an elderly person, a woman, a christian. It doesn't matter what.


muslims don't have a trending behavior. a person's behavior and the fact that they are muslim has no correlation. however, when children are developing, they're not mature. that's more of a fact than a biased, racist observation.
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Okay, shoplifting. But is that a reason to suspect all young people of it, and deny them access to a shop? Granted a shop isn't a public place so you can deny anyone you want access to, as long as the reason isn't based on age,gender,race,religion etc. Right?

When I was younger, I never shoplifted. Does that mean that if I had wanted to go into the shop I wouldn't of been allowed because people like me do it?


They aren't denying you access, they're limiting the number of people who can enter.
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It only counts as age discrimination if it's aimed at the elderly.


Why?

I mean, some stuff is understandable that as a whole children are less mature so a lot of it is understandable that is a fact we can't get away from. As in..you wouldn't employ a 14 year old to work with heavy machine.
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Why?

I mean, some stuff is understandable that as a whole children are less mature so a lot of it is understandable that is a fact we can't get away from. As in..you wouldn't employ a 14 year old to work with heavy machine.

I don't know why, it's just how it is. Any law that mentions "age discrimination" only means the elderly; the law has no interest in protecting children's rights.

And to say children are inherently less mature is incredibly idiotic. Just because someone is 14 years old doesn't mean they can't be responsible, hell, most adults aren't as responsible as I was at 14.
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I don't know why, it's just how it is. Any law that mentions "age discrimination" only means the elderly; the law has no interest in protecting children's rights.

And to say children are inherently less mature is incredibly idiotic. Just because someone is 14 years old doesn't mean they can't be responsible, hell, most adults aren't as responsible as I was at 14.



I understand that, but. Well, there isn't much of a but. However the chances are a 14 year old is going to not be the most mature person. 14 was just a random age it could be anything. Although back to the shop, if a young person was mature enough surely they should be allowed in? However the shop owner wouldn't know that, so they would base their opinion upon their age.
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Okay, but regardless if it's legal. Is it right?

I'm sure if there was a sign saying "No more than 2 christians/muslims/buddhists" in at any one time, people would feel different. But it really isn't any different.


morally, probably not. But that doesn't give the law the right to tell a person how to run their business.
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Woah? are we bringing morals into allowing kids into the shop? wtf, some people....

Seriously, it's really not an issue, a lot of the time, kids walk about in daunting groups, so allowing only a couple in at a time helps limit the chance of theft, or just makes people feel more at ease, and less threatened. The shops that I see with signs like that in are predominately used by the elderly, so the shop keeper is going to keep the best interests of their most regular customers at heart - If you're offended then you've either got serious issues or like to feel offended.

As someone else mentioned, it's not denying you entry, it's just staggering it. When you're queuing for a club because it's already filled to capacity, I've got ID to get in, why am I waiting?!?! Oh because it's for the best interests of the majority of people.

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#35
A shop near my old high school didn't let Schoolkids in without an adult. It was purely a shoplifting based decision. Besides, you can refuse anyone entry into your shop.
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Quote by AJScott
It's a good point, but are the rules fair? That's what im trying to get it.

One kid stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 kids in here at once.

Is the same as

One muslim stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 muslims in here at once.

You can subtitute muslim for anything...an elderly person, a woman, a christian. It doesn't matter what.


Is it discrimination that under 18's are refused entry into strip clubs?
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They aren't denied access, they are asked to wait. And it's reasonable, not just shoplifting but rowdy behaviour, etc. The kids think they can get away with it because they aren't a big chain with no security, with like ASDA.
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Quote by AJScott
It's a good point, but are the rules fair? That's what im trying to get it.

One kid stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 kids in here at once.

Is the same as

One muslim stole from us, so we don't want any more than 2 muslims in here at once.

You can subtitute muslim for anything...an elderly person, a woman, a christian. It doesn't matter what.



If I was a shop owner, who had just spent, a shit load of money on stock, so I could pay my bills, mortgage, rent on the shop, and the bills for the shop, as well as wages for any staff, and had some of that stock stolen, meaning I had to put up prices to cover for any theft and then spend even more moeny, I would have no qualms about saying no more than 2 kids in the shop at any one time. I have worked in quite a few shops, and only one occassion, out of the countless ones that I have caught shoplifters, have I caught an adult.
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Most of the shops that have these signs have them because kids go to their shop at lunch. Imagine 50+ kids passing by your shop. If they all could enter at once it would be a riot.

They aren't saying all kids are going to shop lift they are just trying to keep things safe and make sure that other customers, like the elderly can shop during lunch hour without pushing past several kids.

Even if a sign does say no more than 2 kids at once. I'm pretty sure that If you were a kid and you went to the shop by yourself, not during school time and tried to get in. They would let you even if there were already 2 or 3 kids in the shop because you are by yourself and one more person doesn't make a huge difference. Compared to letting 50 more kids in during lunch.
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Quote by AJScott
I was walking home today from the school I work at, and I walked past a Costcutter. (Chain of small corner shops) and I as I walked past there was a sign saying "No more than 2 young people allowed".

I wouldn't be classed as a young person myself, if there was already 2 young people in their I could of gone in myself. But I was honestly offended by this, is this legal?

Surely it's a form of discrimination right? It's stopping people entering the shop based on age.

I don't know if there was a reason behind it, such as a lot of shoplifting was done there by young people, or the owners just hate kids. If I had a picture, i'd post it.

What do you guys think, is this right?

Yes, this is 'discrimination,' and it is perfectly sane. It's pretty simple. Young people are more likely to cause problems (including theft, vandalism, etc.) so limiting the number of them allowed in the store at once should cut down on the instances of these things happening and make the times that they do easier to control. If you are actually offended by such a sensible policy, try running one of these businesses for yourself.
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