#1
I read on some forum that actives sound like shit in a modeling amp like Line 6 Spiders, and I was wondering if this is true. I plan on getting a set of Blackouts for my JS32T Rhoads, but was wondering if I should just use passives until I can get a tube amp or some shit. Which will probably be a while, since I'm not rich or anything, hence me having a low entry Jackson.

Sorry if this is a noobish question.
#2
They don't sound like shit - they just don't sound any different than any other pickup. In my experience with my old Spider, it made every instrument sound the same, unless you were using single coils vs humbuckers.
#3
buy a new amp first, you'll be surprised the difference in tone when the stock pickups when there coming through a decent amp
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Each part of your signal chain will have an effect (pos or neg) on your tone, from the strings and pickups on your guitar, down to your amp and speakers. As far as active vs passive, I enjoy both, through both types of amps. But to the crux of your question...generally, if you upgrade your pickups with either type it should still result in better overall tone. The degree of improvement of course will depend on how well the remainder of your signal chain translates the original signal.

It could be the lower end modeling amps compress and alter the original signal to such a degree that it's no longer recognizable and distinguishable from any other source. Similar to playing your favorite metal on a crappy single speaker, AM radio vs a high-end stereo.
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They don't sound like shit - they just don't sound any different than any other pickup. In my experience with my old Spider, it made every instrument sound the same, unless you were using single coils vs humbuckers.



This sums it up pretty good..... I'd go with a better amp before upgrading your pups. Unless it would take you way too long to save the dough and you want something thats better. However, like the previous guy mentioned, you probably wont notice the difference on your amp...
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#7
All good advice. Thanks guys!
Being unemployed sucks for this very reason. I'd LOVE to go tube but I can't afford it at the moment.

Oh and feel free to start an EMG Vs. Blackout war here, I'm a little unsure on those, too
#8
You can get a set of blackouts for $180, add another $100 and you can get decent used tube amp. Even another $50 would get you a much better amp then a spider.

What is your current amp? Is it a spider? You weren't clear on that.
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#9
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You can get a set of blackouts for $180, add another $100 and you can get decent used tube amp. Even another $50 would get you a much better amp then a spider.

What is your current amp? Is it a spider? You weren't clear on that.

Yes, it's a Spider III HD75 and a Spider III cab.
And that's not bad pricing. I could deal with that. Just so long as it isn't like Mesa Boogies that are like in the 1000's.

They're actually my brother's, he's just letting me use them for the moment. I got into guitar like a year and a half or two years ago, roughly, but I'm already realizing that I definitely need/want something better. Line 6 is okay but not for me. I recently bought my Jackson (Best purchase ever made), after using his LTD KH-202 'til now. Good guitar, but the Floyd is a pain for me at the moment. So I'm basically in the process of exploring the vast world of guitar equipment and how thinks work and what not. I have all the basics down, but the more complicated shit like how pickups work, exactly, and the technology that goes in SS Vs. Tube etc, I'm not sure on.
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#10
I find crate blue voodoo's for under 350 all day long in LA/Orange county.

I wouldn't recommend that amp for you as it is 100w and a little thin sounding. Good for lead tones along with a decent clean channel as well. Just an example of a cheap tube amp.

I would find something a little less wattage / combo rather then cabinet and head to keep the cost down.

I would not recommend new pick-ups before a new amp in your situation.
#13
Solid State amps and Modeling amps are different. Solid State amps have analog circuits. Modeling amps are digital. It would be a complete waste or your money expecting any tone change going from passives to actives through a modeling amp.
#14
Sell your current amp and the Blackouts and get a used tube combo or a new low wattage one before you put actives in your guitar.
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Would lower end Peavey combo amps like the TransTube be good?


transtube is solid state and supposedly sounds more tube like (not so much ). look for something like a Peavey valveking used as that would be a suitable replacement for your current amp and relativily cheap.
#16
I wouldn't see a pickup upgrade as a priority. If you get a good amp, you'll be a lot happier with the sound than if you keep your current one and stick in a set of active pickups.
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#17
I believe the concern with Modeling amps is that in the input stage of the amp, your Analog guitar signal first gets converted over to Digital, by the A/D converters in the amp.

If in the input stage, you were overdrive the A/D converter into clipping, you would get a very un-musical harsh distortion...

And no matter what happened to your signal after that, Preamp stage, Modeling/Effects, Power amp stage, and FX Loop...
was a waste, because your sound was deemed un-fixable, already trashed by an overloaded A/D converter.

When I used to hang in the Line 6 Flextone III forum, running too hot of pickups in your guitar was a concern with the boys.
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Thanks again, guys. I did a little more research and found that Peavey Valvekings aren't too bad for cost, especially used, and it's Peavey so I'm not gonna go wrong with that, so I'll probably pick one of those up when I can, see if I'm satisfied with the Jackson pups first then go for replacing them if not.
I also did not know there was a difference between modeling and SS.
#21
Also, tubes last quite a while, too, so replacing fees for them thankfully won't be a concern.
#22
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#23
I know you already got a lot of good info, but I'd just like to add, that it has a lot more to do with headroom, than anything else.

It's not so black and white as tube vs. ss/digital. If you're running actives into a <5W tube amp, it's still going to sound like ass, most of the time. If you're running a >75W SS amp, actives sound fine most of the time.

It's true that you don't need nearly as much headroom with tubes as you do with SS amps, but it's not like running actives into an SS amp will automatically sound like ass.

I run my H-301 w/ EMG 81/60 into my Vypyr 75, and it sounds perfectly fine.
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Yeah, I remember seeing something about headroom somewhere, now that you mention it. Good shit, man! Makes sense.
#25
i would still replace the pickups in your jackson. if they are they stock Jackson CVR2s or whatever then they are terrible and i do believe you would see a significant difference in clarity with a pick up swap. but, new amp should go on the list as well
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i would still replace the pickups in your jackson. if they are they stock Jackson CVR2s or whatever then they are terrible and i do believe you would see a significant difference in clarity with a pick up swap. but, new amp should go on the list as well

Yeah they are the CVR2s. They're ok, but obviously stock is stock. Definitely want to replace them. I want that active pickup roar, like a screaming demon!