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The three largest poker sites were shut down by FBI earlier this week over claims of bank fraud, money laundering and the processing of illegal online gambling funds. Although the website domains have now been returned, prosecutors have so far named 11 individuals who are to go to court. If found guilty, they will face major fines and prison sentences.

It is currently illegal for american players to gamble online, however these companies ignored the law and openly accepted deposits made by US players. This is a significant upheaval for the estimated $5bn industry. These allegations have put a halt on US deposits, but for the rest of the world its business as usual.

Full story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13121768

Obviously gambling online can have serious consequences if people arent reponsible. But for many it is an enjoyable hobby and there are those few who make their living from it.

What are your thoughts? Should it be legal for americans to gamble online?
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#2
In Short, yes, they should be allowed.


In Long, yeah, they should be allowed to gamble online.
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Well I support that the illegal gambling websites were shut down, they were probably run by the mafia anyway. I'm not sure if gambling should be legal tbh, gambling can do horrible things to people and their families (my dad's gambling problem was a major factor in my parents' divorce).
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It's their money, they earned it, surely they should be able to gamble it away if they want?
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It's illegal? Really? I never played online with money but I thought it was all legit. I mean, thinking about it now I'm guessing if they conduct their business in a proper fashion and have a gambling license then I don't see what the problem is.
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It's illegal? Really? I never played online with money but I thought it was all legit. I mean, thinking about it now I'm guessing if they conduct their business in a proper fashion and have a gambling license then I don't see what the problem is.

I think they mostly ran their businesses from outside the country.

Oh, and to clarify, it's not illegal to gamble, it's illegal to run a casino. Think about it - mathematically it's almost impossible to come out ahead because the payout ratios always favor the house. So if mathematically the house always wins, couldn't that be considered fraud or theft?
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I think they mostly ran their businesses from outside the country.


Surely that's capable in a legal fashion though? I'm sure it has to do with some regulations and whatnot, maybe to own the business license and gambling license they need to be approved by whatever and that whatever requires them to have citizenship or something.
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Well I support that the illegal gambling websites were shut down, they were probably run by the mafia anyway. I'm not sure if gambling should be legal tbh, gambling can do horrible things to people and their families (my dad's gambling problem was a major factor in my parents' divorce).


People do horrible things to people and their families. Your father's gambling problem didn't have a mind of its own, he still chose to gamble. Consenting adults should be allowed to do what they will, and who cares if it's run by the mafia? I fail to see how the people behind the games changes the morality of the games.
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Problem is that it is illegal in almost every state, with the exception of a few cities here or there.


As far as I know, the only city it's legal in is Las Vegas, I don't think there is a state where it's legal, but it is legal on most Indian Land and all international waters. That's why you can gamble on the Missouri River and the Mississipi River. It does confuse me though that gambling is legal yet most states have some form of the lottery.
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As far as I know, the only city it's legal in is Las Vegas, I don't think there is a state where it's legal, but it is legal on most Indian Land and all international waters. That's why you can gamble on the Missouri River and the Mississipi River. It does confuse me though that gambling is legal yet most states have some form of the lottery.

Atlantic City also legalized gambling.
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These sites are not owned by the mafia. The chief executive for Pokerstars is Isai Scheinberg, a previous IBM programmer.
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Gambling in almost all froms are illegal in Norway -- hell, even fruit machines are removed now. The "Norwegian" online gambling websites just host somewhere else, and put their commercial on the Viasat channels, because they are aired in England(not sure about this one.) anyway, and follow local laws.
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As far as I know, the only city it's legal in is Las Vegas, I don't think there is a state where it's legal, but it is legal on most Indian Land and all international waters. That's why you can gamble on the Missouri River and the Mississipi River. It does confuse me though that gambling is legal yet most states have some form of the lottery.


wow wait a sec. what do you mean it's only legal in certain states?

gambling? like any sort of gambling? like theres no casinos?

or do you mean you need a gambling license or permit or whatever to gamble, something that has to get approved and so on, not something i can just buy for a weekend and play poker with my buds.
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As far as I know, the only city it's legal in is Las Vegas, I don't think there is a state where it's legal, but it is legal on most Indian Land and all international waters. That's why you can gamble on the Missouri River and the Mississipi River. It does confuse me though that gambling is legal yet most states have some form of the lottery.

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But I presume many of those are on the rivers deemed international waters or on Indian Land. Also to that guy above, yes techinically gambling is illegal, no you won't be arrested for holding a poker night, police don't care that much and have bigger fish to fry, and I don't think there are any permits, just loopholes like the Indian Land thing, International Waters and certain cities.
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But I presume many of those are on the rivers deemed international waters or on Indian Land. Also to that guy above, yes techinically gambling is illegal, no you won't be arrested for holding a poker night, police don't care that much and have bigger fish to fry.

About half are run on tribal lands. There is no such thing as international waters on any river in the US. There are 3 casinos in downtown Detroit none of which are owned or operated by native Americans.
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About half are run on tribal lands. There is no such thing as international waters on any river in the US. There are 3 casinos in downtown Detroit none of which are owned or operated by native Americans.


Maybe they're not called international waters, but it has something to do with them being major trade routes, or atleast used to be until airplanes used to be. I'm probably using the wrong terminology but I think the same goes if there are casino boats on the great lakes.
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As far as I know casinos are legal in Nevada, West Virginia, New Jersey, and a few other states, not including Indian territory.
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st louis has casinos , so does mississippi.


But they're all on river boats. They're only legal in that river. Kansas City has casinos too, but it's not legal to do it in the city of Kansas City.
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Maybe they're not called international waters, but it has something to do with them being major trade routes, or atleast used to be until airplanes used to be. I'm probably using the wrong terminology but I think the same goes if there are casino boats on the great lakes.

It's the full faith and credit clause in Article IV of the constitution. If the boat in question is registered in a state that allows gambling then it doesn't matter how far up or down stream it goes.
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