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#1
This who thing is extremely simplified

You're sitting in a room with a gun pointed at your head in such a way that you'd be guarenteed death if you are shot with a bullet from it. It is determined that the gun will go off after someone flips a coin. Heads means a bullet was in the chamber, and you're shot. Tails means there is no bullet and all you hear is a click.

Now, the theory is that every time the coin is flipped, you will hear a click, because you cannot hear when you're dead. This relies on the "Many-Worlds" theory, that there are two universes for each action that happens to you.

So basically, a very, very smart Princeton professor has proposed that if you enact the above situation, you will never be shot, but rather continue living in parallel universes.


Is this bullshit? Discuss more quantum physics, I find it amazing.

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#2
Nice spelling there champ. Proofread your posts.

Also, in this universe I would still be dead as shit right? So what's the point?
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#3
dont try it
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Nice spelling there champ. Proofread your posts.

Also, in this universe I would still be dead as shit right? So what's the point?

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#5
I don't really understand but if you kill your self in this world then you would be dead and the other different you would be alive but different so it wouldn't really matter.
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#7
gonna go give it a try.
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#8
I've never really been persuaded into believing in parallel universes. Don't see why I should. But I'm not physicist, so maybe I'm unaware of some evidence.
#10
Sure you'd be alive in the next universe, but that's just it, you're not in the next universe, you're in this one where you will indeed die. You'll be dead but your alternate self, whom you don't have control over, will outlive you.
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#12
Not sure if I'd bet my life on that. Maybe I'll give it a go if I get some terminal disease. Although I guess I'd still have the disease in the other universe.
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#13
Stupid ass theory.

At what point do we stop and admit that the fact this man has a prestigious degree doesn't mean he isn't full of shit.
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Sure you'd be alive in the next universe, but that's just it, you're not in the next universe, you're in this one where you will indeed die. You'll be dead but your alternate self, whom you don't have control over, will outlive you.

What's to say this isn't an alternate universe?!?


Yeah, quantum physics works better as a screenplay concept than in real life....
#15
Unfortunately if it's actually heads then you'll never know, regardless of how many parallel universes there are if you die, you're dead.
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#16
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Stupid ass theory.

At what point do we stop and admit that the fact this man has a prestigious degree doesn't mean he isn't full of shit.


I admit that this man's prestigious piece of paper does not make his statements fact.

Although, it makes his statements more interesting, because he can bring up a whole bunch of other shit he learned to earn that piece of paper to back up his theories. I, however, have jackshit besides what I've learned from skimming Wikipedia.
#18
Hawk, all modern computer chip design is based on quantum physics. So post that from a twenty-year-old computer and we'll talk.
Nautical Steve: You wouldn't be different. As far as you're concerned, all the quantum mechanics would be irrelevant, because you'd just keep on living. The idea is that from the point where two timelines diverge things will gradually change until the two worlds are entirely distinct, but there would still only be one timeline--you'd be dead in the other.
And other Steve, the point is that you'd be alive. As far as you knew. That's a pretty serious difference from being dead. Probably.
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I admit that this man's prestigious piece of paper does not make his statements fact.

Although, it makes his statements more interesting, because he can bring up a whole bunch of other shit he learned to earn that piece of paper to back up his theories. I, however, have jackshit besides what I've learned from skimming Wikipedia.


It makes it interesting because he can say "You won't die if you get shot when there's a coin being flipped at the same time" and everyone goes "whoaa."

If I said it, I'd be called out for bullshit and probably lose a considerable amount of respect instead of gain it.
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#21
Well, since the consciousness I have now would travel to the next "me" in the other universe, would I be aware that I had just shot myself in the previous universe? Or would I be instantaneously transported so that nothing ever happened and I just hear a click? Why would some random universe favor my life for anything? Why would I just keep on living in another universe instead of ceasing to exist? If anything, my consciousness in this universe would be gone and the one in the parallel universe would keep living, but I wouldn't and couldn't know what the **** even happened in the first place, so there might as well not be any universe at all.
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#22
why was the coin even mentioned? Flipping a coin and bullet getting fired are unrelated. Also don't try it.
#23
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why was the coin even mentioned? Flipping a coin and bullet getting fired are unrelated. Also don't try it.


This thread makes me want to.
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#26
These are called thought experiments for a reason.
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#27
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It makes it interesting because he can say "You won't die if you get shot when there's a coin being flipped at the same time" and everyone goes "whoaa."

If I said it, I'd be called out for bullshit and probably lose a considerable amount of respect instead of gain it.

Ahhh. I'm not sure of the practical application for this knowledge, however interesting it may be.
#28
This is sort of uncomfortable. Scenarios like these just put unsettling thoughts into your head.
#30
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Ahhh. I'm not sure of the practical application for this knowledge, however interesting it may be.


Dude, if you get shot in the face, you're going to die. Regardless of whether or not a coin is being flipped. That's all I'm trying to say.
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#31
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It makes it interesting because he can say "You won't die if you get shot when there's a coin being flipped at the same time" and everyone goes "whoaa."

If I said it, I'd be called out for bullshit and probably lose a considerable amount of respect instead of gain it.


It makes it interesting because he can say "and this is WHY you won't die if you get shot," goes on to explain his quantum theory, and THEN everyone goes "whoaa", regardless of whether or not they understand it, because it is an intriguing subject. And, they'd believe him because he brought up a bunch of information to wow everybody into believing him.

Like you said, if you said it, Without considerable information to back it up, then you would be considered a crackpot and no one would ever listen to you again. If you had some information to back it up, someone might believe you.

Of course, that fancy paper he worked for a stupid amount of time to acquire makes some of the difference, alongside having sufficient data to back it up.
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#33
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Of course, that fancy paper he worked for a stupid amount of time to acquire makes some of the difference, alongside having sufficient data to back it up.


There is absolutely no way to acquire sufficient data to even begin to support this argument.
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#34
Slinky, I find the quote in your sig oddly relevant to the topic.
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#37
I think you left out the part where he mentioned both sides of the coin are tails...
#38
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Hey, isn't there a whole thing where quantum mechanics works wonderfully on the atomic and lower levels, but is batshit useless for bigger stuff?


I was about to bring this up. This guy's theory sounds like anything but quantum mechanics. Last I checked, quantum theory regards physics within a scale that's so small that physics as we know it cease to operate.

Quantum Mechanics only operate on scales smaller than an Atom. Or even the nucleus or quarks of an atom. We're talking electrons, photons and possibly, strings.

So, remind me. What does a coin and a gun have to do with quantum mechanics?
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#39
I'm being distracted by Family Guy right now, and DIDN'T post this thread. I think I'm you in an alternate universe.
#40
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This who thing is extremely simplified

You're sitting in a room with a gun pointed at your head in such a way that you'd be guarenteed death if you are shot with a bullet from it. It is determined that the gun will go off after someone flips a coin. Heads means a bullet was in the chamber, and you're shot. Tails means there is no bullet and all you hear is a click.

Now, the theory is that every time the coin is flipped, you will hear a click, because you cannot hear when you're dead. This relies on the "Many-Worlds" theory, that there are two universes for each action that happens to you.

So basically, a very, very smart Princeton professor has proposed that if you enact the above situation, you will never be shot, but rather continue living in parallel universes.


The gun and the coin have 0 correlation. This is roughly based off of Schrodinger's (sp?) Cat thought experiment. However, with that experiment, the device used to "kill" the cat had a perfect 50/50 ratio, which was immediately connected with the death device. The coin being flipped in this experiment would make you make a conscious decision, therefore you kill yourself if you land tails and are dead forever, or you live if it lands heads.

Also, the Many-Worlds theory would back this up, if it had any sembelence of truth behind it. It's just a theory based off of several other theories. For it to be true, another 40 theories also have to be true before it, and each are just as hypothetical as the last.
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