#1
Hey guys,

Well I am a pretty good rythem guitar player (not boosting, just saying) but my life long dream is to become a lead guitar player.
Im about the intermediate guitar player but I cant solo or improvise.
I have started learning scales but my friend told me to start learning harmony and theory.
Know most of you know that harmony and theory is one of the most boringist things in the world to learn so im asking you, do you think learning harmony and theory will actually help to become a lead guitar player or is it just a waste of time?

Any thoughts and comments will be appreciated.
Thanks to all
#3
Try these out, they should get you a good start at least.
http://vanderbilly.com/Guitar-Lesson-doctor-rocker-harmony-theory-lesson,9620,1.html

http://vanderbilly.com/Guitar-Lesson-music-theory-for-the-rock-guitarist-lesson-1-introduction,12672,1.html (the rest of the videos in the series are linked below the current vid)

Good luck!
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harmony and theory is one of the most boringist things in the world to learn

You couldn't be more wrong.
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Harmony and theory is one of the most boringist things in the world to learnD

While controversial, I think all of theory is 'boring' to learn. The way to make it interesting is to apply it all, either in using it to write, or to examine songs that use it, to help you understand it better. Doing either also helps consolidate and revise it
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#6
I always hated when people categorized themselves/others into ''Rhythm'' and ''Lead'' guitarists.

A good guitarist is just a guitarist. They know ''rhythm'', and ''lead''.

Also, theory isn't boring at all. It grows on you immensely.
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#7
Seriously stick to rhythm, there are too many lead guitarists as it is.
#8
If you're planning on making a living with your instrument, and love music, theory is probably the most interesting thing you will ever learn about

Even if you have a life you'll end up thinking about it 25/8
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If you're planning on making a living with your instrument, and love music, theory is probably the most interesting thing you will ever learn about

Even if you have a life you'll end up thinking about it 25/8


Ohhh, I get it. It's funny because there's not really 25 hours a day, or 8 days a week, and is a hyperbole to show just how interesting it is. And that is why it's funny.

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#12
Anything is boring if you don't approach it correctly. Btw, learning theory and harmony can only work if you understand scales. Start by learning the 7 modes. It will feel like you're just memorizing them, but as you start to learn more theory, they start to make more and more sense. When you truly learn all the scales, you can play anything, anywhere on the fretboard.
My roommate is decent at guitar, but he refuses to learn scales completely. When he plays lead, it sounds melodic for a couple of seconds, until he can't figure out what scale shape he's playing - then he starts sounding like Kurt Cobain on guitar (I love kurt, but he's not exactly a "virtuoso").
Trust me, by forcing the "boring" stuff into your head, you can get to the creative stuff faster.
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#13
It would definitely make you a better guitarist. You hear guitar harmonies used all the time in solos. Boston uses it in more than a feeling. I learned theory and my guitar playing has gotten 100% better.
It's not boring at all
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Seriously stick to rhythm, there are too many lead guitarists as it is.

Amen. Rhythm guitar is much more fun I think. You get to be the whole sound behind the band. It is much harder to stand out as a good rhythm guitarist than a good lead guitarist I think.
#15
Theory is awesome. But go over to Musician Talk. There you will get better information. Oh, and DO NOT learn the modes. It's an advanced concept best learned when one is familiar with tonal harmony.

EDIT: Theory isn't just for lead guitarists, y'know.
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#16
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Anything is boring if you don't approach it correctly. Btw, learning theory and harmony can only work if you understand scales. Start by learning the 7 modes. It will feel like you're just memorizing them, but as you start to learn more theory, they start to make more and more sense. When you truly learn all the scales, you can play anything, anywhere on the fretboard.
My roommate is decent at guitar, but he refuses to learn scales completely. When he plays lead, it sounds melodic for a couple of seconds, until he can't figure out what scale shape he's playing - then he starts sounding like Kurt Cobain on guitar (I love kurt, but he's not exactly a "virtuoso").
Trust me, by forcing the "boring" stuff into your head, you can get to the creative stuff faster.



Horrible advice, yet for some reason guitar players continue to be obsessed with learning modes, without understanding their function, and without understanding basic major/minor tonality, which is what pretty much all Western music is based on. Modes have nothing to do with harmony as it is understood in 90% of our music. This should be in the Musicians Talk, where there are people who actually know what they're talking about.

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#17
The only reason there are so many lead guitarists is because they want to look cool. If I were in a band I would share the lead guitar duties with the other dude. Like megadeth does.
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The only reason there are so many lead guitarists is because they want to look cool. If I were in a band I would share the lead guitar duties with the other dude. Like megadeth does.

you meam 'like Dave Mustaine does'? Megadeth is mostly synonymous with Dave though
#19
Harmony + Theory have to be some of the most interesting parts of being a musician. Knowing why something works makes you understand it better and then you can apply it.
No such thing as a rhythm or lead player really. It's just a way to differenciate between the members in a band. The better guitarist usually becomes the Lead guitarist, where Metallica is the exception. :P Guitar is just guitar and basically, you're just not good enough to do the soloing yet. You get phrases in the 'rhythm' guitar that are solos played down an octave and sometimes completely syncopated, which makes it harder. Seeing as you're starting to try to solo, I recommend looking at various rock/jazz/funk/blues licks and try to immitate the sound by ear. A good solo to learn would be the stairway to heaven one as it's very simple. I learned it within 6 months of playing the guitar and it was my first instrument..

So an answer to your question is, yes learn theory and no it is not a waste of time. Learn the theory, then apply it.
As a guitarist, you're going to want to learn the Pentatonic scale, major scale and natural minor scale to start with.
You could take the intervalic approach to this once you've done some theory and understand the intervals between notes.
http://communityguitar.com/students/Resource_Sheets/files/Relative_&_Natural_minor.pdf
I got that with just a quick google. Seems pretty informative.

If you want to become an amazing lead player, I would learn those three scales to start with in the 5 positions and make sure you can name every single note on the fretboard in under a second!
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you meam 'like Dave Mustaine does'? Megadeth is mostly synonymous with Dave though


Lol
But I mean once he gets a stable band for at least one album
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#21
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Ohhh, I get it. It's funny because there's not really 25 hours a day, or 8 days a week, and is a hyperbole to show just how interesting it is. And that is why it's funny.


It's also a crazy time signature.
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Theory is awesome. But go over to Musician Talk. There you will get better information. Oh, and DO NOT learn the modes. It's an advanced concept best learned when one is familiar with tonal harmony.

EDIT: Theory isn't just for lead guitarists, y'know.
Yes, yes, and yes.

This is the guy you should listen to. Especially when he says bring it to Musician Talk. You'll get much better answers there.
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#24
I have no idea what you people are talking about but i just LEARNED to play

is this a bad thing?
#25
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one of the most boringist

Yea, I don't think music theory is going to work out for you.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#26
Music theory is fascinating to me. it will help you be a better musician regardless of what you play.
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Ohhh, I get it. It's funny because there's not really 25 hours a day, or 8 days a week, and is a hyperbole to show just how interesting it is. And that is why it's funny.


It's funny because you deconstructed an already quite simple joke, thereby emphasizing it and retelling it in a context in which any humour is removed, and making what was probably just a minor turn of phrase seem even less funny than it ever was originally. When an implied jovial tone of voice combines with this pointless, humourless deconstruction, irony is created and thus humour. And that is why it's funny.

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