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I read in an article somewhere recently that the world's governments spend every 8 seconds on military/defense development what would be needed in order to solve the entire world population hunger problem. With my very, very limited knowledge of world government expenditure and budgeting, wouldn't it make sense for the world's governments to simply declare a world-wide holiday in which all governments stop spending money on defense development for just a single day so that everyone in the world had food? Keep in mind I realize the implausibility of this idea due to international cooperation.

Also, couldn't world governments simply create more money without letting anyone know about it (start your conspiracy theories here) so mass inflation wouldn't occur, and use that money to pay farmers and other food manufacturers for the food needed to supply those who need the food? It seems to me that if no one knew about the mass creation of money, no inflation would occur because all global markets really rely on is speculation and fear which in turn drive prices to either increase or decrease.

Seems like the world has the means, just not the willingness, to solve world hunger.

Thoughts/opinions?

EDIT: Another though occurs. Americans need to stop being fat and eating ****ing everything.
Last edited by AndrewB24 at Apr 28, 2011,
#2
There's enough food. It's just incredibly unequally distributed, I'm going to have to agree with blue_strat.

edit:....deleted his post apparently.
Last edited by Masamune at Apr 28, 2011,
#3
Quote by AndrewB24

Seems like the world has the means, just not the willingness, to solve world hunger.

Thoughts/opinions?

Very true. It's an inherent problem with capitalism - there's simply no profit to be made in feeding everyone. Hence the capitalist system has barely any interest in it. Indeed, international speculators have been turning increasingly to speculation on food markets (a large factor in the current food price crisis) - for example, last year Barclays bank made £340m last year from food speculation. In short, multinational corporations are artificially strangling the food supply in order to create hunger for profit.
#4
I would have thought the correct solution was mass murder because if that's not the right one then I've made a real big mistake.
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#5
Quote by AndrewB24

Also, couldn't world governments simply create more money without letting anyone know about it (start your conspiracy theories here) so mass inflation wouldn't occur, and use that money to pay farmers and other food manufacturers for the food needed to supply those who need the food? It seems to me that if no one knew about the mass creation of money, no inflation would occur because all global markets really rely on is speculation and fear which in turn drive prices to either increase or decrease.


I'm not sure but I think even if they don't let anyone to know, when the great mass of money start to be spended the supply and demand will sufer a drastic change and the inflation would occur.
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Very true. It's an inherent problem with capitalism - there's simply no profit to be made in feeding everyone. Hence the capitalist system has barely any interest in it. Indeed, international speculators have been turning increasingly to speculation on food markets (a large factor in the current food price crisis) - for example, last year Barclays bank made £340m last year from food speculation. In short, multinational corporations are artificially strangling the food supply in order to create hunger for profit.


But if the world created a "secret currency" it wouldn't affect people making money within a capitalist system right? If anything, people, specifically those being paid for the food, would be making money which is the point of a capitalist system. it would do nothing to hurt the free market system.

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I'm not sure but I think even if they don't let anyone to know, when the great mass of money start to be spended the supply and demand will sufer a drastic change and the inflation would occur.


I feel like the only increase in demand and supply would occur in areas of food production which would only serve to further increase the supply of food with a minimal effect on inflation. After all, if I was a farmer and received money for distribution of my products I would reinvest that money back into my farm in order to produce more, therefore creating more profitable farmers worldwide and a larger food supply.
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#8
The amount of money spent on pet food every year in America could be used to help millions of people. If you have a pet, drown it in a fish tank and use that money to send to UNICEF.
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#9
If all the governments of the world dedicated all their money and resources to stamping out world hunger, they couldn't do it. The problem isn't that there's not enough food, it's that as soon as there's enough food some son of a bitch will find a clever way to benefit by keeping it from somebody else. That's why we will never have a "post-scarcity" world. Somebody will always find a way to make things scarce.

And there's no way to make more money without causing inflation. As soon as somebody has more purchasing power, and they start...y'know...purchasing, prices will rise because the ones selling things will realize their customers can pay more. That's inflation right there. If the government then sets price limits, the vendors will find ways around them, and the first way is usually to stop selling anything with a small profit margin and focus on luxury items.

No, solving world hunger is more complicated than that. Personally I recommend cannibalism.
#11
Quote by AndrewB24
But if the world created more "secret currency" it wouldn't affect people making money within a capitalist system right? If anything, people, specifically those being paid for the food, would be making money which is the point of a capitalist system. it would do nothing to hurt the free market system.

Why would they want to give workers and farmers money for their produce? Supermarkets already bully producers and supplies in a virtual monopsony - they are able to dictate prices to suppliers (that is when they don't directly own the farms and dairies). What interest would a government have to alleviate that situation? Supermarkets pour millions of dollars into governments worldwide to turn a blind eye to their business tactics.
#12
Quote by AndrewB24
But if the world created more "secret currency" it wouldn't affect people making money within a capitalist system right? If anything, people, specifically those being paid for the food, would be making money which is the point of a capitalist system. it would do nothing to hurt the free market system.



But the problem is that money doesn't have a real value to stand for, capitalism not only make money, create value, if that doesn't exist that money is useless, sooner or later that money would become overpriced in the market, and it value will decrease drastically
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#16
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If the government then sets price limits, the vendors will find ways around them, and the first way is usually to stop selling anything with a small profit margin and focus on luxury items..


Say, for instance, that the government imposed laws and regulations which stopped people from doing this (heading towards socialism here, I know). Regulations could be something like forcing farmers to sell their food while at the same time keeping process at a near fixed rate. If this was done, farmers would benefit from selling their goods, and markets would benefit from the increased sale of these goods, Not to mention, stock markets could increase in value due to the investing that would follow an action like this. Investing in a goods market with these parameters would almost guarantee profit as the goods could either never fall in value, or the fall in value would almost be negligible due to the fixed price limit.
#18
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Can we please make this thread about popcorn/popcorn eating/popcorn recipes?

No


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#20
Quote by AndrewB24

I feel like the only increase in demand and supply would occur in areas of food production which would only serve to further increase the supply of food with a minimal effect on inflation. After all, if I was a farmer and received money for distribution of my products I would reinvest that money back into my farm in order to produce more, therefore creating more profitable farmers worldwide and a larger food supply.


Even if that is true, it would cause an increment of the prices of food, the production would be overselled, you can't expect to buy enough food to the people hungry of the world and that this doesn't happen, even if the farmest invest the monet, they could not increase the production enought to satisfy the regular demand, plus the deman of that great mass of money in a short term.
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#21
more food = less hunger
less hunger = less people dying because of hunger
less people dying of hunger = population growth
population growth = more need for food
#22
Quote by Masamune
There's enough food. It's just incredibly unequally distributed, I'm going to have to agree with blue_strat.

edit:....deleted his post apparently.

This is true. There's more than enough for everybody to have, but it's so unequally distributed
#24
^^^ One of the first threads I've seen in the pit with a serious discussion with valid points, and people want to turn it into a "popcorn eating thread". Things are going downhill fast...

Quote by x0vincent0x
more food = less hunger
less hunger = less people dying because of hunger
less people dying of hunger = population growth
population growth = more need for food


Step 1: population growth = more need for food
Step 2: more need for food = increased market demand for food
Step 3: increased market demand for food = can be solved with the money used by food manufacturers going back into creating more food
Step 4: ???
Step 5: profit for everyone

Not to mention with an increase in a non-starving population, this population wouldn't be worried about simply finding food which could result in an increased working force (due to a decrease in poverty) and an overall increase in economic profits due to a larger working population. This increase in working population could in turn increase worldwide productivity in a multitude of non-food areas, eventually resulting in a large decrease in worldwide poverty. HAZAH!!!
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#25
We need to find the solution for overpopulation first.
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#26
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Why don't you lay off the drugs for awhile, man.

NO U!


Quote by AndrewB24
Say, for instance, that the government imposed laws and regulations which stopped people from doing this (heading towards socialism here, I know). Regulations could be something like forcing farmers to sell their food while at the same time keeping process at a near fixed rate. If this was done, farmers would benefit from selling their goods, and markets would benefit from the increased sale of these goods, Not to mention, stock markets could increase in value due to the investing that would follow an action like this. Investing in a goods market with these parameters would almost guarantee profit as the goods could either never fall in value, or the fall in value would almost be negligible due to the fixed price limit.

Bigger governmet =/= Socialism.......at all.
Sorry, it's just a misconception that happens to be everywhere and it's kind of annoying.


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more food = less hunger
less hunger = less people dying because of hunger
less people dying of hunger = population growth
population growth = more need for food

hmmm Malthusian cycles
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#27
Quote by AndrewB24
^^^ One of the first threads I've seen in the pit with a serious discussion with valid points, and people want to turn it into a "popcorn eating thread". Things are going downhill fast...

We're answering by saying popcorn is the solution to world hunger.
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#28
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NO U!



I don't think that is going to happen. Maybe we should take more to forget about this?
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#29
Quote by AeolianSeventh

And there's no way to make more money without causing inflation. As soon as somebody has more purchasing power, and they start...y'know...purchasing, prices will rise because the ones selling things will realize their customers can pay more. That's inflation right there. If the government then sets price limits, the vendors will find ways around them, and the first way is usually to stop selling anything with a small profit margin and focus on luxury items.


The mercantilism was a lot of time ago man, where have you been?
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#30
Quote by AndrewB24
^^^ One of the first threads I've seen in the pit with a serious discussion with valid points, and people want to turn it into a "popcorn eating thread". Things are going downhill fast...

#31
Quote by AndrewB24
^^^ One of the first threads I've seen in the pit with a serious discussion with valid points, and people want to turn it into a "popcorn eating thread". Things are going downhill fast...

that's the way pit rolls. Ignore them. They'll get bored after a few pages.
#33
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that's the way pit rolls. Ignore them. They'll get bored after a few pages.

Not with this bottle next to me.


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You are EXTREMELY WRONG! I have played it. I own an 18W and it would be an awful stereo amp, it's way too bright, breaks up too easily and so on. Secondly, why would a guitar store sell an hifi amp.
#36
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Not with this bottle next to me.



That's a dog and a glass. Where is bottle?
They made me do push ups in drag

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Don't dress as a whore, he'll thump you.

I'm a firework, primed to go off
#37
Solution #1 to Overpopulation: Get rid of everyone in China and redistribute their manufacturing abilities to other parts of the world.

/racism
#38
Quote by x0vincent0x
more food = less hunger
less hunger = less people dying because of hunger
less people dying of hunger = population growth
population growth = more need for food

Simple bollocks. The average Congolese consumes per day less than half as many calories as the average American does (1606 vs 3740). Also, Western countries waste huge amounts of food per year - University of Arizona's study reckons that almost a quarter of edible food is disposed of in the USA. It's complete trash that 'there isn't enough food to go around', it's like a kid with eighteen donuts saying he can't share any with his three friends who have none because there aren't enough donuts to go around.
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#40
Don't you forget we all live in Matrix. All things are controlled by people who aren't famous and they want the world to be like this, they need the world to be like this, and so us.
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