#1
I was looking for a lap steel pickup to put in my affinity strat.

First thing I need to say is there is no such thing as a "Lap Steel Pickup" all pickups are the same, Coil of Copper Wire wrapped round Magnets. Third party coil winders such as Lollar, Fraylin, Seymour Duncan etc have Fairy Dust which they sprinkle, this Fairy Dust costs a lot of money and they go to great lengths to convince the customer there is no point in starting without their product. Your fellow Forum members who have spent or want to spend silly money, will repeat everything the Snake Oil Salesman has told them.

You may have heard of Alumitone Pickups, Pedal Steel Manufacturers contacted that company and asked if they could make a 10 string Pedal Steel Pickup. The Alumitone company sent them a Bass Pickup and told them truthfully it was the same thing.

A third Party Coil Winder will charge you a large amount of money to supply a 7 or 8 string Lap Steel pickup, all you need to buy is an inexpensive Bass Pickup, that will cover the string width you require and sound exactly the same.

Don't follow the herd, use your own common sense, be your own judge of what is worth buying and don't start with the most expensive thing you can think of. Strip a $2 Pickup and a Seymour, you will see absolutely no difference between them, and the expensive Fairy Dust is invisible.

You can quote what I have said if you wish.


What it your opinion?
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#2
lap steel whats that?
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#4
Quote by SKArface McDank
lap steel whats that?


http://www.well.com/~wellvis/steel.html
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#5
what that guy says is correct about how a bass pickup will work for lap steel, but the idea of all pickups being exactly the same is absolute nonsense - all magnetic pickups work the same, but that doesn't make them all sound the same.

there are lots of factors that affect how a pickup will sound - number of winds, the magnet (alnico II, alnico V, ceramic etc), the copper wire gauge, etc etc etc. the list goes on.

whoever wrote the quote you posted needs a slap across the face with a dimebucker.
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#7
All passive guitar and bass pickups are the same in the sense that they're a coil of wire and a magnet. But there's many diffreent types of magnet and wire, different winding patterns, different magnet shapes, different construction. When you buy a big brand pickup or an expensive boutique one what you're paying for is the time it's taken them to work out what combination of wire and magnet and construction gives you that particular sound. You'd be surprised what 2% more wire or a slightly thinner magnet will do to the sound. That's the difference between cheap and expensive pickups, that's why specialist pickups like 8-string pickups for example cost more. That plus supply & demand.
#8
And though rare, I HAVE had cheap pickups simply fail. Somewhere in the intricate depths of their construction, something died in such a way that they no longer produced the sound they were supposed to. I have NEVER had that happen with a quality pickup.
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#9
who wrote that? Ed Roman?
Last edited by al112987 at May 1, 2011,
#11
I am trying to find out what makes the lap steel sound so different from playing a standard electric guitar with a slide. My conclusion is the solid steel bar used, the pickups and the solid piece of wood for the body.
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#12
Primarily it's the playing technique, all the other variables can be changed.
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#13
Quote by WesM.Vaughan
I am trying to find out what makes the lap steel sound so different from playing a standard electric guitar with a slide. My conclusion is the solid steel bar used, the pickups and the solid piece of wood for the body.

They generally have shorter scale lenghts, the body/neck is all one piece so they resonate differently, most have metal nuts and the bar/slide has a lot more mass.
The pickup isn't really that big of a factor since there aren't really that many pickups made specifically for lap steels. Often they just use standard guitar pickups (not always though).
#15
all pickups are not created equal. yes, the majority of passive magnetic pickups (excluding actives, which use pre-amps, and some odd-ball designs) work by the same principle. kinda like how a Pinto works on the same principle as a Ferrari; its the same basic concept, but executed in a completely different fashion. pickups are much the same: they all work on the same broad concept, but they are executed in very different ways and consequently can sound radically different.

as far as lap steel pickups go, they aren't different in design so much as fit. they work the exact same way as any other passive pickup (though there may be slight tweaks), but they are generally designed to fit the different string spacing of a lap steel
#16
Quote by al112987
who wrote that? Ed Roman?

i like how he hides behind his words, saying everyone else will "repeat what the snake-oil salesman has told them" in his first paragraph. he's trying to discourage people from correcting him before he's even said what he wants to say, probably because deep down he knows he's wrong but doesn't want to admit it
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.