#1
Hey guys, I hope the title caught your attention (:
Ive been getting into some heaver bands like Fear Factory, Nile and Deftones to some extent lately and am becoming addicted to that sound.

So I know that these bands use extremely low tuned guitars like B and Drop A# and whatever else... I want a cheap guitar, preferably around 600USD that I could easily put into these low tunings. Also maybe something that I could mod as im very keen on doing up a guitar, just finding one worth doing up is challenging.

Here are my preferences: 6 strings, Alder or Ebony body, Two Humbuckers, 5 way selector switch, 24 frets, preferably some sort of heavy duty bridge to hold tunings, uhm... not to certain on wood of neck, possibly ebony?

I've looked at some of the Ibanez, Jackson, Esp's but not really too sure eh.

I would like some input and information on things i should know as i have never really ventured into this form of music before (:

Im in NZ so i cannot use Ebay, we use a website called TradeMe for our buying/selling of second hand stuff.

Any other questions will happily be answered.

Cheers,
TheAscendant
#2
Well a 7 string would be so much easier, but since you've rejected that i would say look through their guitars and find a baritone guitar (at least 27" scale length) and throw some 12 or 13 guage strings on there.... i will try to find some for you.
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#3
if you wanna ASCEND you should get a 7 string. schecter damien 7 is like 450 dollars and its one monster of a guitar.
#4
Quote by TheAscendant
Hey guys, I hope the title caught your attention (:
Ive been getting into some heaver bands like Fear Factory, Nile and Deftones to some extent lately and am becoming addicted to that sound.

So I know that these bands use extremely low tuned guitars like B and Drop A# and whatever else... I want a cheap guitar, preferably around 600USD that I could easily put into these low tunings. Also maybe something that I could mod as im very keen on doing up a guitar, just finding one worth doing up is challenging.

Here are my preferences: 6 strings, Alder or Ebony body, Two Humbuckers, 5 way selector switch, 24 frets, preferably some sort of heavy duty bridge to hold tunings, uhm... not to certain on wood of neck, possibly ebony?

I've looked at some of the Ibanez, Jackson, Esp's but not really too sure eh.

I would like some input and information on things i should know as i have never really ventured into this form of music before (:

Im in NZ so i cannot use Ebay, we use a website called TradeMe for our buying/selling of second hand stuff.

Any other questions will happily be answered.

Cheers,
TheAscendant


you don't want an ebony body, it's weight a ton and would be very bright. Look into baritone guitars, they'll hold the tuning much easier. I was going to recommend an Agile, but you're in NZ so

Look into schecters, they might be good for the job
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#5
I have thought about a 7 string guitar, Ya know i wouldn't mind playing/owning/shredding one! But what else is there to a 7 string other than just another string? Ofcourse I need specialist pickups and they will probably be more expensive, We get totally ripped off down in this part of the world for music gear...
#6
If you wanna five way selector switch you need three pickups ala a strat style guitar or an Ibanez RG series guitar with two humbuckers and single coil in the middle. Any bridge will be good but I recommend a string thru for that endless sustain. Bt if you want just two humbuckers you'll have to settle for a three way selector bc it works like this 1 neck, 2 neck and bridge, 3 bridge.
#7
If you increase your budget by around 100 or shop used (I don't know what you'll be able to find in NZ) you can get this

http://www.zzounds.com/item--SCEC1HREX

Schecter c-1... seems to be really popular among UG users, though my friend had one and I wasn't a huge fan... then again he took out the saddle blocks and used the ball ends in his FR instead so it might not have been the guitars fault, rather user error.
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#8
guessing by your playing style you would LOVE a 7 string. i seriously recommend you should get or atleast try one.
#9
^haha yeah...that was stupid of me...for the music that i would be playing on it I wouldnt be using the middle pickup so just two and a three way will be enough, unless the pickups comes coil splittable.
#10
and if you want tuning stability but some sperzel locking tuners or something of the sort
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#11
@chadreed32 Yeah, schecter is getting quite well-known in NZ, all my music mates play schecters, i currently have a gibson epiphone les paul zakk wylde buzzsaw. I dont really like my mates C1 Hellraiser. My other music friend has a schecter revenger, these sound real ballsy, and have a nice brootal tone, i wouldnt mind one...
#13
@chadreed32 i was thinking about a floyd rose system or what ibanez do with their locking bridges. Then again string-thru with locking tuners sound like a good idea as i will keep the sustain and stop the strings from going to far outta tune
#14
Yeah, just remember its not gonna sound good if you're plugged in to a crappy amp, but will still play nicely

anyway, good luck with your search
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#15
My Ibanez has an Edge III (flame suit on), a lot of people don't like it and will suggest replacing it with and Edge Pro or an OFR, but if you take good care of it it will be really nice, i like mine.

the only problem there is with alternate tunings it takes a lot of setup to change so be warned for the work.
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#18
Yeah i know man, but if you're looking for it just for tuning stability I would just get the locking tuners.
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#20
Professional setup would help you but once you want to change from drop B to A# or whatever you will either need to adjust the springs or just have an awkwardly tilted tremolo, which will lead to weird action and off-scale length.
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#21
Yeah i've heard lots of great things about agiles - they seem real nice.

and that schecter looks good too, I dont know what pickups it has in it though but they're probably geared towards metal, being the guitar that it is.
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#22
mmm....so i suspect getting string-thru is the best idea. I would love it if i could find an agile. Bragging rights amongst my friends. Woot! Do agile do baritone 6 string guitars?
#23
I think they do - they've got millions of em on rondo music so one of em's bound to be right

and PS about that schecter - in case you didn't know Drop A on a 7 string is AEADGBE - so its standard tuning with a low A note.
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#25
New Zealand? Correct me but to get an Agile you'd be paying through your absolute eye balls.

What about an Ibanez?

Also, Deftones early stuff is Standard to Drop C. Then he uses a 7 string and 8 on latest.
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#26
Quote by TheAscendant
I have thought about a 7 string guitar, Ya know i wouldn't mind playing/owning/shredding one! But what else is there to a 7 string other than just another string? Ofcourse I need specialist pickups and they will probably be more expensive, We get totally ripped off down in this part of the world for music gear...


i think Mick Thompson's ibanez will also work ! coz he also uses low tuning.

try the ibanez mtm2 . its in ur budget i think

watch this youtube link , he is using drop B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmKw0ILje4A
#27
Quote by TheAscendant
Here are my preferences: 6 strings, Alder or Ebony body, Two Humbuckers, 5 way selector switch, 24 frets, preferably some sort of heavy duty bridge to hold tunings, uhm... not to certain on wood of neck, possibly ebony?



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#28
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i think Mick Thompson's ibanez will also work ! coz he also uses low tuning.

try the ibanez mtm2 . its in ur budget i think

watch this youtube link , he is using drop B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmKw0ILje4A


I would stay away from any artist signature guitars until you get a really high end one (like a Jem) because your paying for the name rather than a guitar - even with a Jem or JS you probably pay more for it than if it was just another RG or something.
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#29
Hey guys, i realise that i really want a different sounding electric guitar. Something like this agile http://www.rondomusic.com/product3682.html has pretty much everything i want in it. if there is an ibanez or another brand that i could easily get here in NZ would be great. Sounds pretty weird but i would love to have it in drop G# Haha, every string dropped half step and then the top B string dropped down to G#
Sounds weird i guess but im really into that sorta....Avante Garde would you say style of metal...
#31
Do you know if it would be worth replacing it with an original floyd rose then?
And is there any problems with it still being 25.5" scale? caus i thought it would have to be a 27" scale for it to have 7 strings?
#32
Buying an FR will add around $150 (not exactly sure) to your price. The 7 string model may even cost more, I'm not sure. And the difference in scale length wont affect it, there will just be a different ammount of tension on your guitar (I think shorter is more?).
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#33
Shorter should be more tension caus you would have to wind the strings around the pegs more right?

Just checked this site: http://www.edroman.com/parts/IS_bridgetrem.htm and its says about 230USD so about 290NZD. But sites vary between 220USD and 260USD
It would be quite an expensive upgrade it looks like, what are the bad things about the LFR?
It would have to be black to match the other hardware also.

Has anybody had much experience with these guys when buying online caus NZ is quite a distance when it comes to shipment and we are talking about a serious piece of equipment?
#34
Yes you would have to wind them more (at least to what makes sense in my head)

Usually most LFRs are made of cheap materials, and made in worse conditions - such as many korean made trems - They have a tendency to wear out fast and not hold tune as well when doing dive bombs and such. The Agile says it just has a LFR with no model # or specification, so i can't tell you much about it but just be wary.
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#35
I don't get this winding business or why anyone is trying to tell you that a 25.5" scale is not going to make a difference from a 27" scale...

That's ridiculous, it makes a difference surely. Firstly, because you're adding another inch and a half, there is a slight difference in fret lengths from one fret to the next due to the longer scale. It's not a huge difference, but it's enough to have to adjust your muscle memory if you really are used to a standard scale. Second, with the longer scale, you can use lighter gauge strings to attain the same tuning you could before. Therefore, you could tune to much lower tunings and use strings that are much less thick and, therefore, have not only more headroom with how low your tuning can go, but can make the string gauge more comfortable rather than playing massively thick strings. Third, the scale length, partially due to the ability to use thinner strings, can allow you to have better tone in lower tunings because, since the strings don't need to be as thick, they'll ring differently and more naturally. Thick huge strings on standard scale instruments can only sound so good. That's why if you're down-tuning, eventually you'll want a longer scale so you don't have to keep upping the string gauge to attain the lower tuning. It's physics; why cellos are large and violins are small.

So yeah, if you are comfortable with the larger length, lower tunings will benefit from a larger scale. But many people come on here with the impression that a 7 string is always better for low tunings but the truth is, if a 6 string is 25.5" and the 7 string is 25.5", it doesn't matter. The 7 just has the high E. So if you're used to 6's, and are not too keen on getting a 7 with a scale other than standard, just stay with a 6. It won't make a difference either way (unless you go baritone 6 of course).
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#36
Honestly dude go get yourself a 7 string with at least a 26.5" scale neck. Schecter does make 26.5" 6 strings but good luck finding a pack of strings that will hold the tension you're going to need. If you're already down to A#, you WILL get the urge to go lower, trust me been there done that, and now I'm in drop G and even at a 26.5" I had problems with 7 string packs giving me the tension I need, can you say spaghetti? All that ended up where I am now with an 8 string tuned up with a 66 on the low string.