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http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2011/05/06/3207889.htm
Extremely speculative and unverifiable but still interesting to think about.


An intriguing new hypothesis suggests some black holes could have formed before the formation of our universe. The work by Professor Bernard Carr from Queen Mary University in London and Professor Alan Coley from Canada's Dalhousie University, examines a cosmology in which the universe goes through cycles of birth and death.
According to their work published on the pre-press website arXiv.org, some black holes could be remnants of a previous universe that collapsed in a big crunch and was then reborn in the big bang - 13.7 billion years ago. Called primordial black holes, they would be formed in the hyper dense conditions existing in the moments after the big bang. That makes them even more exotic than other black holes formed from the collapse of massive stars or at the centre of galaxies.
Carr and Coley say if the universe expands and contracts in cycles of big bangs and big crunches, some primordial black holes may survive. They reached their conclusion after thinking about what might happen in the moments before a big crunch. Rather than everything merging back into a singularity, Coley and Carr speculate the densities reached as the universe transitions from big crunch to big bang, mean primordial black holes between a few hundred million kilograms and about the mass of our Sun, could survive as separate entities.
So far primordial black holes only exist in theory, and even if scientists do eventually detect one, Carr and Coley admit there would be no way of determining if it was born in our universe or came from a previous epoch.
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****ing physics man.
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Carr and Coley say if the universe expands and contracts in cycles of big bangs and big crunches, some primordial black holes may survive.


Universe most likely doesn't do this.
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Isn't that the second time you've used that pic in like an hour ?
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#8
'Hypothesis says that some black holes may be older than time'


Just wtf?

Older - Having lived for a long time

Time - The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole
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'Hypothesis says that some black holes may be older than time'


Just wtf?

Older - Having lived for a long time

Time - The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole

I was about to say this.

You can only, really, be the same age as time, since age cannot be calculated before the event of time.

Or so conventional logic not thought up by someone paid to live in a basement and science day in day out without a hope or a prayer of poon would dictate.
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They are not older than time since in a model with a bounce, time didn't start at the big bang.
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Find it on other sites and I might actually read it, I don't trust abc.
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Universe most likely doesn't do this.

Good thing you have got that sorted out
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So that means monkeys are infinite?
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Find it on other sites and I might actually read it, I don't trust abc.


What's to trust? A news site says that some scientist says that this might have happened if this is how that works, and even if it is how that works and this did happen, we would never be able to tell for sure.

...I mean you can't really get more far-fetched than that....

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...right.

Hay guis, i fink dat black hols arnt actually black!! Can i has nuus article nao!?
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Universe most likely doesn't do this.


shit, man. inform the scientists, bro. after all, everything that goes on in the universe falls in the 'likely to happen' category.
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...right.

Hay guis, i fink dat black hols arnt actually black!! Can i has nuus article nao!?

We haven't actually seen one yet, so they probably are either black or pink.
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There is no such thing as 'before time'. Time is simply an unending measurement device implemented by people.

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We haven't actually seen one yet, so they probably are either black or pink.


You can't see a black hole, just the matter being drawn to it.
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Universe most likely doesn't do this.


Prove it, Steven Hawkings.
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There is no such thing as 'before time'. Time is simply an unending measurement device implemented by people.


You can't see a black hole, just the matter being drawn to it.

Well I just saw one, what now?
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There is no such thing as 'before time'. Time is simply an unending measurement device implemented by people.

That's besides the point. That title was probably only used to make it sound cooler.
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Well I just saw one, what now?


no light can escape from a black hole, which means the light can't get to us, which means we can't see a black hole. what you're seeing is an absence of light.

EDIT: i sincerely hope you're referring to the picture in the article, otherwise i just retorted to a joke
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no light can escape from a black hole, which means the light can't get to us, which means we can't see a black hole. what you're seeing is an absence of light.

EDIT: i sincerely hope you're referring to the picture in the article, otherwise i just retorted to a joke

I just googled "black hole" and found a picture, I guess you guys don't know the physics of google.
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It's a ****in hypothesis, I hypothesize that you're all jelly.
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What's to trust? A news site says that some scientist says that this might have happened if this is how that works, and even if it is how that works and this did happen, we would never be able to tell for sure.

...I mean you can't really get more far-fetched than that....



Trust in the reporting skills. News sites and channels can't report science properly.
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So that means monkeys are infinite?

Yes, and typewriters.
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Trust in the reporting skills. News sites and channels can't report science properly.


This is in no way science though, this a scientist who is thinking to much.
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"We think this is possible, but theres no way to prove whether we're right or wrong. Therefore, we'll publish an article on it to make you go "hmmm."
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'Hypothesis says that some black holes may be older than time'


Just wtf?

Older - Having lived for a long time

Time - The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole

was just about to post this

Something cannot preceed the thing that preceeds everything. Time was always there, always will be. It's not just seconds and minutes people.

There is no way to prove or disprove this theory, might as well throw it in the bin with God and the beginning of the universe lol.
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I'm pretty sure that being almost certain our universe is flat, it will likely end in a Big Freeze. A Big Crunch doesn't happen in a flat universe.
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There is no such thing as 'before time'. Time is simply an unending measurement device implemented by people.

I'm no expert in the field, but as far as I know, time is a dimension. Big bang created the dimensions, and as such, there is a "before time".
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was just about to post this

Something cannot preceed the thing that preceeds everything. Time was always there, always will be. It's not just seconds and minutes people.

There is no way to prove or disprove this theory, might as well throw it in the bin with God and the beginning of the universe lol.


you think the entire hypothesis is based on the presented title?

it's a news article. people won't click on it unless it sounds interesting. the reasonably scientifically accurate things are in the article.
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