#1
Ok, so if I use a set of 11's and tune my guitar to "F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb" (low to high) will i need a truss rod/action adjustment?
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#2
you shouldn't need an adjustment as long as your action was good with 11's before.....but honestly for tuning that low, you should at least be using "not even slinky's", like 13's at the bare minimum. 11's are gonna be loose....very loose
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#3
hahaha you dont want 11's for that, you need essentially the lower 6 strings of the 8 string, so your low F would be somewhere around 70-76 id imagine, and the high Gb around 17 or so.

Meshuggah use a 70 for the low F, but have the benefit of a 30" scale to keep it taut. You have most likely a 24.75-25.5 inch scale neck on your 6 string, so id say a 74 or 76 is gonna be necessary to keep that F clear.

Anyway, all that extra tension is going to require one helluva truss rod adjustment, so whether your guitar could even handle it well is to be speculated. You sure you want to do this?
Last edited by mishax92 at May 7, 2011,
#4
Quote by mishax92
hahaha you dont want 11's for that, you need essentially the lower 6 strings of the 8 string, so your low F would be somewhere around 70-76 id imagine, and the high Gb around 17 or so.


so would i have to widen the nut slot a little to accommodate the wider gauge?
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Set everything to 12 o'clock.

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#5
I'm essentially looking to get a "djent" low tuning sound with a 6 string
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Set everything to 12 o'clock.

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#6
Ugh. That's a painfully low tuning....
I can only listen to so many breakdowns and "spoken word" vocals before I wanna puke.

I find Jennette McCurdy attractive, but Elizabeth Gillies and Debby Ryan much more so.

That's enough, Djent people. We get it.
#7
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so would i have to widen the nut slot a little to accommodate the wider gauge?


Possibly, but theres also the question of whether your machine heads and bridge will allow such a thick string through too.
#8
yeah i hate to say it but, you can pull off a 7 string tuning on a 6, but an 8's a stretch.

NTM the pickups in a 6 string are hardly capable of processing those notes....
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#9
Quote by mishax92
Possibly, but theres also the question of whether your machine heads and bridge will allow such a thick string through too.

would it be possible to use 11s on a tuning like A-A-C-F-A-D?
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Hi, I am looking for an amp setting close to the sound of bands like Black Veil Brides.


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Set everything to 12 o'clock.

Go from there.

lol

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#10
Quote by kandex
so would i have to widen the nut slot a little to accommodate the wider gauge?


More like open it up with a shovel. You might as well just cut a new nut. Because once you realize how unplayable a normal scale guitar is in that tuning you'll just go right back.

What you're trying to do is really ridiculous. Just sell your six string and buy an eight string.
#11
yeah, you could score a Schecter Omen 8 String for 400 bucks new....and that would do you justice.... i just don't see this ending well for your 6 xD
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#12
Dude don't go through the hassle I've been there. My band used to tune in Drop A, and when I joined I still used a 6, that lasted about 2 months before I bought a baritone scaled 7. Then we went down to drop G, finding strings was a nightmare even for that. At 60 was sloppy at best making that djent style impossible. Now I've got an 8 tuned up to drop G and a 68 on the low end.
#15
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yeah i hate to say it but, you can pull off a 7 string tuning on a 6, but an 8's a stretch.

NTM the pickups in a 6 string are hardly capable of processing those notes....


No. You can pull off the 8 string tuning fine and the pickups will work fine. The problem he'll face is tuning post holes needing to be widened, heavy set of strings(13s or 14s), and the slack of that low F#. It's not an easy note to reach on a 6 by any stretch, but it can be done with a setup, and a few more adjustments, be they minor or major.
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#16
Impossible? no. Much more of a pain in the ass than necessary if he just had a longer scale? abosolutely
#17
.11's? HAHAHA. My .11s are floppy as hell in drop A#. They'd be like rubber bands down that low. Your neck would be fine, but playing wouldn't be a good experience.
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#18
As stated above, djent is possible with a 7 string, so you don't even have to consider trying to pull off a low F# on 6, as that's more or less an entire octave. I can get djenty sounds in C# with 11's, but if I were you, I'd just get Baritone strings and down to B standard if a 7 is out of the question.
And once you do that, you may want to adjust your guitar, you'll probably not need to tamper with the truss rod, but that depends on your guitar.
#20
i didnt bother to read anything but the title

but if you wanna tune like that, get a 5 string pack of bass strings and a pack of twizzlers, put the 5 bass strings and for the highest string just tape twizzlers on for for decour, who wants to hear music anyways? you need to feel it in your chest

continue to tighten the bass strings until one snaps off an pops you in the eye


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#21
You want a djent sound on a six string? Go with the Zyglorx tuning - AGCFAD
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#23
Quote by kandex
would it be possible to use 11s on a tuning like A-A-C-F-A-D?
On my 25.5", I use .010s for that tuning half a step up. I would hazard a gues that .011s would be perfect.

On a 27" scale, I find .080 to have the perfect tension for F to give that exact Meshuggah sound, so maybe an .085? You could always go with .080. There's no reason to drill the tuners... honestly I'd slap anyone that did that. Just unwind the string so you have the core wrapped around the post. I've never had any problems with it and broken strings are worth a lot less than broken tuners.
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#24


You don't need to tune to F# on a 6 string to get a "djent" tone... ~90% of getting a tone like that is in the technique and how you dial your amp.

Periphery has some heavy songs in drop C. Check out Buttersnips.

Even then, the lowest they currently go on 6 string is for Zyglrox like fantasyh said.
#25
I did G#C#F#BEG# on my LTD for a while, with a 13-70 custom baritone set. But even with an EMG 81 the short scale sounded pretty muddy to me. I really want to get a baritone 7 for drop Ab, I'll keep my 6 in C#G#C#F#A#B.

But the guy above me is right, I can djent in drop C#.
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#26
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You don't need to tune to F# on a 6 string to get a "djent" tone... ~90% of getting a tone like that is in the technique and how you dial your amp.

Periphery has some heavy songs in drop C. Check out Buttersnips.

Even then, the lowest they currently go on 6 string is for Zyglrox like fantasyh said.

This. I can get a "djent" sort of sound in Drop c. It's just learning how to mute the top string in a way to get it to sound heavier then it actually is. It's weird lol
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#27
Some keys to getting a "djent" sound:

- Use mids! On my JSX I currently have the mids around 1:00, and that's with an active EQ (a little goes a long way). Just remember, too much midrange can make your sound muffled and undefined. You'll want presence to be a bit higher than normal too, most likely. That being said, different amps react differently, so just get a general idea of the tone you like and you can start to dial it in from there. Basically what you want to do is get a nice, fat tone with a solid bass, upped mids, and a fair amount of treble. You're looking for clear tone. Don't saturate it too much.

- Turn down the gain. I don't think I've turned the gain up past 2:00 for playing djent, and i usually keep it between 12:00 and 1:00.

- Noise gate. It helps a lot. Also some sort of relatively clean boost in front of the amp.

- Heavy pick attack. This may not be super crucial, but it does help a fair amount.

- Palm muting. You want to have a really tight palm mute that doesn't choke off the strings. Whoever said you won't be playing big chords with this style of music- sorry, you're wrong. Playing big, 3-4 note power chords sounds massive if you get the right technique and tone.

- Big strings. If your strings are too loose, they'll flop around and maybe sound "djenty" to you, but in reality, fatter strings sound better if you can get everything else right.

There are probably some other things as well... pickups are mildly important but those aren't easily changed (i.e. for free). Work on those things and you should be on your way.