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I just finished watching Pulp Fiction for the first time. The friend who suggested it to me as a "genre film, which transcends genre."

Which got me thinking, what are some other genre works (books, films, etc) which transcend their genre and work on their own as actually good films.

Here are some of the ones I came up with; The Empire Strikes Back (film), The Sandman (comic), The Godfather (film), The Grifters (book), Pulp Fiction (obviously), Double Indemnity (film).

What are some genre films which you guys think overcome the constraints of their genre to be a legitimate work of art, or at least something more than just a good genre movie?

(If anyone doesn't understand what I mean by "genre work", just ask, but I think I've made it pretty clear what I mean.)
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The Dark Knight. It's much more than a superhero movie, and you don't even have to like superheroes or Batman to appreciate how good it is.
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The Dark Knight. It's much more than a superhero movie, and you don't even have to like superheroes or Batman to appreciate how good it is.

This.
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what genre would you say pulp fiction is? gangster ? crime? thriller?

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what genre would you say pulp fiction is? gangster ? crime? thriller?


It's a...pulp fiction.


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Lifetime's album Jersey's Best Prancers. It's melodic hardcore or pop-punk or whatever, but it is a work of art. So it's not just a good pop punk album, it's a good piece of art.

I also thought A Clockwork Orange (book) is a good choice. It's almost a shocker/horror, but it is breathtaking.
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The Dark Knight. It's much more than a superhero movie, and you don't even have to like superheroes or Batman to appreciate how good it is.


Batman Begins was better.
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The whole idea of QT's films is he takes genres and plays with the set rules it has, mixing it with rules of other genres to make something new out of something familiar.

The easiest examples are Kill Bill part 1: A Western set in an Eastern Eye film, and Kill Bill Part 2: An Eastern Eye film set in a Western.
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Batman Begins was better.


OT: The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Inglourious Basterds, Sergio Leone's "Dollars" trilogy, the Star Wars original trilogy for films. The Mars Volta's De-Loused in the Comatorium, Metallica's Black Album, System of a Down's Toxicity for albums.
EDIT: And Watchmen. Comic not film. Not a big fan of comics in general, but I loved Watchmen.
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Batman Begins was better.

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Neil Gaiman's American Gods (novel)

Most of Stephen King's work. A lot of it is pulpy sci-fi horror, which he often (but nearly always) manages to work with to create something at the end that doesn't really fit in with the rest of pulpy sci-fi horror. Bag Of Bones is a good example.

Y: The Last Man and Preacher for comics. Though Preacher does get stuck in the western-ness.

Edit: also for comics, V for Vendetta.
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EDIT: ninja'd ^

Okay this annoys the crap out of me. You didn't REALLY edit your post. You just posted the same thing as the last guy and tried to make it look like you didn't know it was already posted.

OT: You guys have me really wanting to read The Clockwork Orange. As far as movies go, I'd have to say Cool Runnings transcends the "sports movie" genre. Incredible film.


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Okay this annoys the crap out of me. You didn't REALLY edit your post. You just posted the same thing as the last guy and tried to make it look like you didn't know it was already posted.

OT: You guys have me really wanting to read The Clockwork Orange. As far as movies go, I'd have to say Cool Runnings transcends the "sports movie" genre. Incredible film.


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Hey fella, it doesn't put up the "Edited by so-and-so at whatever time" until a certain amount of time has passed. If you edit immediately, there's no sign that it's edited.

Haha whoops! I guess that's just the assumption I usually make when I see that posted recently. Although I HAVE seen older posts where someone "fakes" editing it.
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Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany. I've heard it's like the Gravity's Rainbow of science fiction. I've been meaning to pick it up, but I have several other books I need to read first (including, coincidentally, Gravity's Rainbow, which I'm determined to finish).
#21
Watchmen.

It's not your regular superhero movie. It's much darker and isn't very predictable. Also I love how it focuses a lot on the characters' problems and history together, rather than make them look awesome/heroic and have 'em save people's lives.
I can't even remember a single person in that movie that they helped

AEDIT: Also, Wristcutters is the kind of movie that puts a new meaning to 'Romantic Comedy'. I like to classify it more as a dark comedy film.
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Watchmen.

It's not your regular superhero movie. It's much darker and isn't very predictable. Also I love how it focuses a lot on the characters' problems and history together, rather than make them look awesome/heroic and have 'em save people's lives.
I can't even remember a single person in that movie that they helped

AEDIT: Also, Wristcutters is the kind of movie that puts a new meaning to 'Romantic Comedy'. I like to classify it more as a dark comedy film.

The movie sucked, bro. It was rather faithful to the comic (other than some details in the ending), but it seemed to completely miss the point, IMHO. Plus, it has all of those annoying Zack Snyder slo-mo shots. Go read the comic; it's a far better piece of work.

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While you're at it, read V for Vendetta, too. And From Hell.
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The movie sucked, bro. It was rather faithful to the comic (other than some details in the ending), but it seemed to completely miss the point, IMHO. Plus, it has all of those annoying Zack Snyder slo-mo shots. Go read the comic; it's a far better piece of work.

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While you're at it, read V for Vendetta, too. And From Hell.

Everyone keeps telling me that.

I've never read the comic, maybe that's why I loved it. I had absolutely no expectations from it other than being another superhero movie.

But I will definitely read the comics someday
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Watchmen.

It's not your regular superhero

Okay, we're off to a good start here...
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I don't think there is.

Pulp fiction is of the New wave genre as are most tarrantino films. Well maybe not a genre but it's not really anything that different.
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I don't think there is.

Pulp fiction is of the New wave genre as are most tarrantino films. Well maybe not a genre but it's not really anything that different.

That is not a genre and you're ignoring the fact that Pulp Fiction was something very unique when it was released in 1994.
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Batman Begins was better.


I found Batman Begins reaaaally slow and a bit boring, quite honestly. The Dark Knight was awesome though, it's the only Batman movie that I like.
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The Mass Effect series of video games, they're both great games yet they're both extremely cinematic as well so i'd say that counts, and Heavy Rain too actually
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That is not a genre and you're ignoring the fact that Pulp Fiction was something very unique when it was released in 1994.

Well, there was the French New Wave. I'd consider that a genre, sort of. But yeah, Pulp Fiction certainly isn't French New Wave.
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Well, there was the French New Wave. I'd consider that a genre, sort of. But yeah, Pulp Fiction certainly isn't French New Wave.


Borrows pretty heavily from it as do all Tarrantinos films. I probably shouldn't argue with you guys though as I'm basing my film knowledge on a media studies AS.
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Borrows pretty heavily from it as do all Tarrantinos films. I probably shouldn't argue with you guys though as I'm basing my film knowledge on a media studies AS.

Oh. Well, to be honest, I've never watched any Godard or any of those guys, even though I've been meaning to. So, do they do the whole nonlinear thing, too?
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Oh. Well, to be honest, I've never watched any Godard or any of those guys, even though I've been meaning to. So, do they do the whole nonlinear thing, too?


Yeah I can't remember any examples but I remember writing a whole paragraph on it for my coursework which compared it's influence on modern cinema.

I wouldn't recommend watching new wave films unless you are really interested in cinema a lot of it just seemed really pretentious but it's undeniable how it's influenced some great films today.

But the fact that his production company is called a Band apart is a pretty big indicator of the it's influence on his work.
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Borrows pretty heavily from it as do all Tarrantinos films. I probably shouldn't argue with you guys though as I'm basing my film knowledge on a media studies AS.

Virtually every "serious" American film following the French New Wave was influenced by it. Everyone from Woody Allen to Francis Ford Coppola were markedly effected by it.
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Yeah I can't remember any examples but I remember writing a whole paragraph on it for my coursework which compared it's influence on modern cinema.

I wouldn't recommend watching new wave films unless you are really interested in cinema a lot of it just seemed really pretentious but it's undeniable how it's influenced some great films today.

But the fact that his production company is called a Band apart is a pretty big indicator of the it's influence on his work.

I'm a total film nerd, so I would most likely enjoy it.
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Also, any Wes Anderson movie is great.
I think Wes Anderson should have his own genre, since his movies have a certain 'feel' to them different than other movies in their genre.