Canadians: Would you waive your own free medical care for lower taxes?

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Yes, I would.
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No, I would not.
117 33%
If I was Canadian, I would.
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If I was Canadian, I would not.
209 59%
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#1
I always see Americans on the internet mock Canada for having such high taxes, and that thread about the medical bill got me to thinking. As a Canadian, would you waive your own free medical care in exchange for lower taxes?

Personally, I wouldn't. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the taxes are all that bad and even if they are, they're certainly worth it.

What about you?
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#3
I'm American, but I would instantly pay a little more taxes for an NHS type thing.
#4
How high are the taxes over there?
Over here, I know I wouldn't give up our free health care for lower taxes.
#5
You should make this directed at people from any country with an NHS type thing.
#6
no
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How high are the taxes over there?
Over here, I know I wouldn't give up our free health care for lower taxes.
Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.
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Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.

I'm probably a "richer canadian" and no, i don't go across the border to get health care.
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.



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#11
as private healthcare is suited to the rich, and nationalised healthcare is suited to poorer people

I wouldn't change the NHS for lower taxes, though the tories are going to ruin it and keep taxes the same
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.


You do realize that Obamacare is basically a healthcare providers dream come true, right?
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How high are the taxes over there?
Over here, I know I wouldn't give up our free health care for lower taxes.


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#14
Aww, hell no I wouldn't. We're paying less in taxes than ever before for a system that's accessible to everyone.
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#15
Not Canadian but... no. I wouldn't have more money, I'd just be buying private insurance instead of paying the extra taxes.
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#16
If I lived in Canada no, and I wouldn't mind the rich having to pay more taxes for Universal Healthcare in America.
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#17
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.
Just wait until you need surgery and die because you can't afford it...



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#18
^pwnt


Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.

oh so out of 33mil the what, ten thousand that go down south for health care means none of us use it?

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#19
Irish, we have a similar system, and no.

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#20
If I was Canadian, **** no I wouldn't. Universal healthcare is cheaper in the long run because people don't wait until the absolute last minute to seek treatment for their problems due to money concerns.
#21
Anyone who says yes is trollin. Who would sacrifice that?
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#22
British, I would never get rid of the NHS. Universal healthcare is the only way to ensure healthcare for all, which is one of the most basic human rights, IMO.
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If I was Canadian, **** no I wouldn't. Universal healthcare is cheaper in the long run because people don't wait until the absolute last minute to seek treatment for their problems due to money concerns.

Yep. Publicly funded ends up being cheaper over all. In Ireland even our Right Wing majority partner in government wants to reform our GP care in order to make it free for everyone to access (currently GPs operate privately, anyone not poor enough to qualify for free care pays them out of their own pocket), as it makes healthcare in general far cheaper due to people catching illnesses earlier.
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#24
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How high are the taxes over there?
Over here, I know I wouldn't give up our free health care for lower taxes.

Depends on how much people make. The more money you make, the more you get taxed. IIRC, it's somewhere between 20% and 30%.
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#25
nope, and I don't care how high our taxes are, I'd be in favor of a tax raise if it meant improvement in public programs.
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Before your ignorance hurts you...allow me to justify my statement.

A few years ago, my father (who is a psychiatrist) had us all living in upstate New York, about 30min from the Canadian border by car. Now, guess what? He worked in conjunction with various hospitals in the area, because well...when someone needs to be checked into a mental health ward, it helps to know the hospital you're putting them into. Many patients at those hospitals were Canadians. Why? Because, if it's between waiting 6months for a surgery or getting it now, they'd rather have it now.

But hey...guess I don't know what I'm talking about, cuz I get my politics from the corn fields. It's not political; it's a fact.

And no, obviously, this doesn't mean ALL rich Canadians use American healthcare. It just means that some near the area we've lived obviously did.
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#29
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Just wait until you need surgery and die while waiting for it...


The most ironic thing about Canadian medicine is that all the Richer Canadians come over the border to get healthcare. I mean, if theirs is so great, why don't they use it? They can afford to pay more for better healthcare, so they do.
Of course, if President Obama has his way, that may not be true in the long run.

You are either an uninformed, knuckle dragging buffoon or an awfully unintelligent troll. Take your pick, either way you are still a monumentally stupid dumbass.

No, I wouldn't, and neither would the vast majority of Canadians. There's a reason Tommy Douglas was voted the greatest Canadian during that CBC series a few years back.
#30
^Me and thrash directly agreeing on something, what has the word come to

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Before your ignorance hurts you...allow me to justify my statement.

A few years ago, my father (who is a psychiatrist) had us all living in upstate New York, about 30min from the Canadian border by car. Now, guess what? He worked in conjunction with various hospitals in the area, because well...when someone needs to be checked into a mental health ward, it helps to know the hospital you're putting them into. Many patients at those hospitals were Canadians. Why? Because, if it's between waiting 6months for a surgery or getting it now, they'd rather have it now.

But hey...guess I don't know what I'm talking about, cuz I get my politics from the corn fields. It's not political; it's a fact.

And no, obviously, this doesn't mean ALL rich Canadians use American healthcare. It just means that some near the area we've lived obviously did.



one second he was a psychiatrist (which isnt covered in canada anyway) but somehow there are canadians in the mental ward, the next he is doing surgery and thats why the canadians are down south


so which is it?
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#31
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Before your ignorance hurts you...allow me to justify my statement.

A few years ago, my father (who is a psychiatrist) had us all living in upstate New York, about 30min from the Canadian border by car. Now, guess what? He worked in conjunction with various hospitals in the area, because well...when someone needs to be checked into a mental health ward, it helps to know the hospital you're putting them into. Many patients at those hospitals were Canadians. Why? Because, if it's between waiting 6months for a surgery or getting it now, they'd rather have it now.

But hey...guess I don't know what I'm talking about, cuz I get my politics from the corn fields. It's not political; it's a fact.

And no, obviously, this doesn't mean ALL rich Canadians use American healthcare. It just means that some obviously did.


And there's no problem with that. The purpose of universal health care is not to limit the amount of care you can get. If they want to go to America then more power to them. In Ireland you can get private healthcare in private hospitals if you want, no-one will stop you, it's the same in pretty much every country with a public healthcare system.

The idea of the public healthcare system is to ensure that every citizen, regardless of income, receives healthcare, and as has been shown again and again that standard is generally very high (and due to various externalities the general public health improves massively also). It is simply protecting the rights of the people to healthcare. If you can afford to go to a private hospital in your own country, or one in the US, then go ahead.
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#32
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Canada as a whole unites in our love for public healthcare.
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Canada as a whole unites in our love for public healthcare.

lol yep very true
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Before your ignorance hurts you...allow me to justify my statement.

Looking at actual statistics, rather than unprovable, biased, annecdotal, contradictory nothing statements, your statement is just plain wrong. It is rhetoric from a propaganda campaign back when Obama tried to institute some disfigured, unlovable step child of public health care in America. The same rhetoric you are spewing was shut down by Jack Layton (current leader of the party which championed Canadian healthcare) on mainstream American news in under 5 minutes. Completely and totally shut down. The facts and statistics completely contradict everything you've spewed. I'm not even going to bother providing you with the statistics as it is a simple google search away, although I probably should because judging by your two posts assuming you can execute the aforementioned search is being pretty generous.
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It is rhetoric from a propaganda campaign back when Obama tried to institute some disfigured, unlovable step child of public health care in America.


Tbh, it's generous to even refer to the Obamacare as that :p
#36
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You are either an uninformed, knuckle dragging buffoon or an awfully unintelligent troll. Take your pick, either way you are still a monumentally stupid dumbass.

No, I wouldn't, and neither would the vast majority of Canadians. There's a reason Tommy Douglas was voted the greatest Canadian during that CBC series a few years back.


Even if he is uninformed, this is where a polite conversation is destroyed. Your dialogue puts you in the wrong.
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You sound like a rotten Canadian. We don't like your kind around here, do we fellow British and American folk?
#39
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You are either an uninformed, knuckle dragging buffoon or an awfully unintelligent troll. Take your pick, either way you are still a monumentally stupid dumbass.
Give me the facts and figures. Or were you too busy insulting me to engage in intelligent dialogue?

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Looking at actual statistics, rather than unprovable, biased, annecdotal, contradictory nothing statements, your statement is just plain wrong. It is rhetoric from a propaganda campaign back when Obama tried to institute some disfigured, unlovable step child of public health care in America. The same rhetoric you are spewing was shut down by Jack Layton (current leader of the party which championed Canadian healthcare) on mainstream American news in under 5 minutes. Completely and totally shut down. The facts and statistics completely contradict everything you've spewed. I'm not even going to bother providing you with the statistics as it is a simple google search away, although I probably should because judging by your two posts assuming you can execute the aforementioned search is being pretty generous.
Here we go with the "you're wrong". Except what you fail to deduce is that there's a reason American healthcare is the best in the world. Oh, yes...you pay so much for it. However, the reasoning for that is because 1) malpractice insurance; doctors and hospitals cannot afford to be sued any more than anyone else. Unfortunately, people suing the medical business is as common as eating a sandwich it seems. AND 2) government regulation; for instance, the Obama healthcare law drove health insurance through the roof. All of that notwithstanding, I'd rather pay more for better healthcare than have the taxes of all pay for a system which is inferior.

See, it's funny. Everyone who likes their NHS loves to say that the American healthcare system is terrible, because it costs so much. However, they always gloss over the fact that that system has been the best in the world for quite a long time.

There must be something to it, at the least. Ask your British friends. They have both NHS and private sector care now.
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