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Hi Pit! Im have to do a presentation for a book for school and I chose 1984 but I could use some ideas.

What do you think I should focus on?

How do I start to explain the book to people who never heard of it?

What are the things I absolutely have to say about it?

A little help pit?
#2
Read a short essay about 1984 then base your presentation on that, but don't tell anyone about it.
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#3
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Well I sincerely hope there aren't any people who haven't heard of it.


I dont think anyone in my class ever heard of it. But they know Muse so I could say that the last album was based on the book to catch their attention...
#5
Make sure the 'Big Brother' is mentioned, as well as the KGB.
And then go on to explain that Orwell wrote it long before 1984, and how it's scary close to the world today...
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Make sure the 'Big Brother' is mentioned, as well as the KGB.
And then go on to explain that Orwell wrote it long before 1984, and how it's scary close to the world today...


How do I mention the KGB? Should I compare it to the thought police?
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Hi Pit! Im have to do a presentation for a book for school and I chose 1984 but I could use some ideas.

What do you think I should focus on?

How do I start to explain the book to people who never heard of it?

What are the things I absolutely have to say about it?

A little help pit?


lucky guy. We just did a complete trimester talking on this book.
-You can talk about brainswashing/ conditioning.
-the concept of doublethink
-compare Big Brother to Hitler
-Talk about totalitarian regimes

And alot more that I can not think of at the moment. But with these 4 topics you can talk about it for hours. Do not forget in doublethink the slogans of the party. War is peace, freedom is slavery and Ignorence is strenght. You must mention that.

Umm if you have anymore questions go on google and type in sparknotes 1984 and you will have a ton of info.



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How do I mention the KGB? Should I compare it to the thought police?


Yes you can, also compare the youth spy league with hitlers youth.
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#8
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lucky guy. We just did a complete trimester talking on this book.
-You can talk about brainswashing/ conditioning.
-the concept of doublethink
-compare Big Brother to Hitler
-Talk about totalitarian regimes

And alot more that I can not think of at the moment. But with these 4 topics you can talk about it for hours. Do not forget in doublethink the slogans of the party. War is peace, freedom is slavery and Ignorence is strenght. You must mention that.

Umm if you have anymore questions go on google and type in sparknotes 1984 and you will have a ton of info.



edit:


Yes you can, also compare the youth spy league with hitlers youth.


thanks man you've helped me a lot with this. If you remember anything else please post
#9
Just play 'Resistance' by Muse

Then explain how the ending is actually horribly depressing.
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#10
leading character? Winston smith

Winston = Winston Churchill, heroic, brave, inspirational

smith = common, everyday guy

also the whole Hitler thing, and definitely mention doublethink and the though police/kgb

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#11
I liked Animal Farm so much harder than 1984. This one's still good though.

Sorry for not helping.
#12
Mention the nightmares I had after reading the book.

I thought my whole life was a lie and dreamt my apartment was stormed by the thoughtpolice and amongst them were my friends that I've trusted. So I got betrayed, tortured and brainwashed before I was killed once I loved the Big Brother.

Yeah. Do that.

Power is not a tool, it's a goal.

And the question they ask about wars.
"What if the purpose of the war is to never end the war, but to keep battling forever. As a way to keep the people in a grip of control."

That could be linked to today. Is war a tool to a goal or a goal in itself for harder control on the own country?

"Who controls the past, controls the future, who controls the present controls the future"

And that torture can even conquer and destroy love between two people. The way Winston gives in and tells them to put the rats on Julia instead. It's kind of sad to see but very very human.

It's a very Macchiavelian book aswell, how to grasp power and then keep it. Keeping it by deceit, propaganda and violence. To take over the supposed "Resistance" and make it their own cause as a way to find out who's against the goverment. It's genius.
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#13
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leading character? Winston smith

Winston = Winston Churchill, heroic, brave, inspirational

smith = common, everyday guy

also the whole Hitler thing, and definitely mention doublethink and the though police/kgb


thanks man, I've never thought of the origin of his name
#14
explain the fallacy in orwell's big government theory. how humans will rise up long before any government can enslave them and would inevitably continue to do so even after being enslaved. hell, even in nazi germany there were many plots to assassinate hitler. provided the nazi regime had gone on longer, it would have only been a matter of time before the whole movement imploded from the inside (and i suppose you could argue that is how their regime ended).

imo huxley's 'brave new world' is a much better assessment of how a government would be able to enslave humans. a government wouldnt be able to enslave humans through force. rather they would have more success by keeping humans so blissed out where they couldnt help but love being enslaved is a much more plausible theory.

orwell tries to go against intrinsic human emotions whereas huxley plays off them.
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explain the fallacy in orwell's big government theory. how humans will rise up long before any government can enslave them and would inevitably continue to do so even after being enslaved. hell, even in nazi germany there were many plots to assassinate hitler. provided the nazi regime had gone on longer, it would have only been a matter of time before the whole movement imploded from the inside (and i suppose you could argue that is how their regime ended).

imo huxley's 'brave new world' is a much better assessment of how a government would be able to enslave humans. a government wouldnt be able to enslave humans through force. rather they would have more success by keeping humans so blissed out where they couldnt help but love being enslaved is a much more plausible theory.

orwell tries to go against intrinsic human emotions whereas huxley plays off them.


How do you know there has not been plots to assissinate Big Brother etc before the book starts? The history of the party and the revolution before is not very well branched out.

Big Brother basically makes those who believe in the Resistance more rebels. As they themselves are the creators behind Goldstein and the books that the resistance is built upon. Therefore they themselves create the resistance that people believe in. And once people join it, they are screwed.
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explain the fallacy in orwell's big government theory. how humans will rise up long before any government can enslave them and would inevitably continue to do so even after being enslaved. hell, even in nazi germany there were many plots to assassinate hitler. provided the nazi regime had gone on longer, it would have only been a matter of time before the whole movement imploded from the inside (and i suppose you could argue that is how their regime ended).

imo huxley's 'brave new world' is a much better assessment of how a government would be able to enslave humans. a government wouldnt be able to enslave humans through force. rather they would have more success by keeping humans so blissed out where they couldnt help but love being enslaved is a much more plausible theory.

orwell tries to go against intrinsic human emotions whereas huxley plays off them.


I've read Brave New World too but since no one in my class knows any of the books I dont think I'll explain the fallacy
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explain the fallacy in orwell's big government theory. how humans will rise up long before any government can enslave them and would inevitably continue to do so even after being enslaved. hell, even in nazi germany there were many plots to assassinate hitler. provided the nazi regime had gone on longer, it would have only been a matter of time before the whole movement imploded from the inside (and i suppose you could argue that is how their regime ended).

imo huxley's 'brave new world' is a much better assessment of how a government would be able to enslave humans. a government wouldnt be able to enslave humans through force. rather they would have more success by keeping humans so blissed out where they couldnt help but love being enslaved is a much more plausible theory.

orwell tries to go against intrinsic human emotions whereas huxley plays off them.


I wouldn't say that's entirely true. Given a long enough time frame the change from modern happy life to Orwell's dystopian dictatorship would be almost seemless. Also look at the vast amount of freedom Britain, as a people, forfeited voluntarily in the form of rationing during the second world war because they were told to. And even after the war was over these freedoms were only very slowly reintroduced. There was no public uprising at all because the government's propaganda told the people that it was for the greater good.

it's only a small step to contemplate whether or not a public uprising would occur if these freedoms were never reintroduced. There definitely was not a whisper of it even when rationing ended in 1954, 9 years after the war that started it had ended.
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#18
I still haven't read that book, I want to I just can't find it anywhere.
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#19
You should definitively should mention how shockingly similar the world of 1984 and North Korea is.

Shit is crazy. I everytime I see a documentary about North Korea I'm like "It's almost exactly as in the book!"

And North Korea didn't even exist when George Orwell wrote it.


BTW, you can be lucky to read such an awesome book in school. I read it twice.
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I still haven't read that book, I want to I just can't find it anywhere.




Tried most average bookstores?...
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You should definitively should mention how shockingly similar the world of 1984 and North Korea is.

Shit is crazy. I everytime I see a documentary about North Korea I'm like "It's almost exactly as in the book!"

And North Korea didn't even exist when George Orwell wrote it.


BTW, you can be lucky to read such an awesome book in school. I read it twice.


Can you tell me some of the similarities? I dont know much about North Korea
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Most likely my favourite book. Or at least the one that has affected me the most.


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Can you tell me some of the similarities? I dont know much about North Korea


Surveillance, made-up facts and lies about how well the country is, the parades in North Korea that are made entirely for the outside world to see.

The denying of the human rights. etc etc

And yes, it's worth mentioning as Ur_All_shit does below-

Humans and proles are two different "species". The proles are those who aren't really affected nor involved in the party. The humans such as WInston is a party of the machine and the part to a much higher extent. Winston himselves is employed directly by the party to manipulate and change old facts and texts in new papers and censoring old fallacies.

Beer, porn, lottery, prostitutions, some market/private life do exist. But only for the proles.

"The proles are the future"
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#23
SMALL WORLD

I just started reading this for my English class on friday. Pretty good book so far.
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imo huxley's 'brave new world' is a much better assessment of how a government would be able to enslave humans. a government wouldnt be able to enslave humans through force. rather they would have more success by keeping humans so blissed out where they couldnt help but love being enslaved is a much more plausible theory.

orwell tries to go against intrinsic human emotions whereas huxley plays off them.

This is in actual fact how the vast majority of the population exists in 1984, the kind of repressive regime stuff is confined to the Government Employees like Winston. The proles experience no such surveillance and are kept quiet with porn, the lottery, and beer.
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Can you tell me some of the similarities? I dont know much about North Korea

Check it out, one of the most inspiring things I've ever seen. So amazingly weird.
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Most likely my favourite book. Or at least the one that has affected me the most.


Me too dude
#27
Focus on the sex scenes, and the theme of sexual liberation.

Also, talk about Bowie's Diamond Dogs and how it's better than Muse even though it's not really that great as far as Bowie albums go.
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I still haven't read that book, I want to I just can't find it anywhere.
Have you tried a library?

Feck it. This isn't even me being snide, but I bet you Walmart has it.
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Can you tell me some of the similarities? I dont know much about North Korea


Look, I can't tell you everything, you gotta know your own shit.
But I just found this video on youtube. Didn't watch the whole thing but it seems legit to me. Make some notes as you watch it! Here's the first part:
---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ixGYzbLz0


...and in case that video is a little bit too heavy for you, try this one:
---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk
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Look, I can't tell you everything, you gotta know your own shit.
But I just found this video on youtube. Didn't watch the whole thing but it seems legit to me. Make some notes as you watch it! Here's the first part:
---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ixGYzbLz0


...and in case that video is a little bit too heavy for you, try this one:
---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk

I just linked him to that first one, you should watch it as well, the ending is brilliant.. It involves the Sex Pistols.
Tell me who's that writin'...
#31
I see comparisons to todays "War on Terrorism" and "War on Drugs". A very vague enemy who is generally faceless.The propaganda is very similar from the book to todays government.1984 should be required reading for high school students,but that would never happen,because they don't want you to use your mind.
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Compare it to the present state of the UK....


War on Terrorism... War on Drugs (as previously mentioned).... governments will always have an enemy because it can be used for propaganda/excuses for doing wrong.

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War on Terrorism... War on Drugs (as previously mentioned).... governments will always have an enemy because it can be used for propaganda/excuses for doing wrong.


This x 100

This guy knows what's up...
#35
You could comment on how Orwell himself was a socialist and how the whole book is one of the commentaries of his on the fallacy of Stalinism as opposed to Trotskysm which good ol' George endorsed. You could talk about how the KGB/The Stasi were real life examples of 'Thought Police' albeit in some cases much worse (Lavrentiy Beria, for example was a serial rapist who was eventually arrested by a certain Georgy Zhukov, Marshall of the Soviet Army incurred the following quote from the marshall-
"In the name of the Soviet people, you son of a bitch, you are under arrest!"


You could talk about how the book has shaped modern expectations of a dictatorship/dystopian state, about how it was one of the last things Orwell wrote before he died, About how the whole situation is an excersise in manipulation and control by Big Brother to keep the rebellious in their society under control, you could talk about how theirs little evidence to suggest that any information in the novel that is presented to us is true (what if their is no Eurasia etc but instead a singular Britain that has turned extremely insular, what if their are the three super states-but instead of being seperate are in fact on state under a constant state of false war with each other in order to prolong the conflict and keep the proles under control. That's all I got.
#36
Don't forget about newspeak and how the deletion and shortening of words limits expression and resistence. That's a biggie. Also, you could mention it's huuuuuuge influence on modern media, like Muse and V for Vendetta...V for Vendetta is a rather obvious one and you draw many, many parallels.
I want to read your essays and blogs of the artistic nature!


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#37
i must admit that i didnt finish reading 1984 because it just got so goddamned boring once i got to the middle of the book.

but i still dont feel that the extreme structure as described in the beginning of 1984 would last as more than a temporary measure. eventually something would give.

maybe thats what the end of 1984 is about. idk. perhaps i should give it another shot here sometime.
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You could comment on how Orwell himself was a socialist and how the whole book is one of the commentaries of his on the fallacy of Stalinism as opposed to Trotskysm which good ol' George endorsed. You could talk about how the KGB/The Stasi were real life examples of 'Thought Police' albeit in some cases much worse (Lavrentiy Beria, for example was a serial rapist who was eventually arrested by a certain Georgy Zhukov, Marshall of the Soviet Army incurred the following quote from the marshall-


You could talk about how the book has shaped modern expectations of a dictatorship/dystopian state, about how it was one of the last things Orwell wrote before he died, About how the whole situation is an excersise in manipulation and control by Big Brother to keep the rebellious in their society under control, you could talk about how theirs little evidence to suggest that any information in the novel that is presented to us is true (what if their is no Eurasia etc but instead a singular Britain that has turned extremely insular, what if their are the three super states-but instead of being seperate are in fact on state under a constant state of false war with each other in order to prolong the conflict and keep the proles under control. That's all I got.


This. All this.

The regime(s?) all thrive on uncertainty and the blind trust/ignorance of the citizens. Examples of which is VERY obvious in places like North Korea, but you could compare it with elements of government in the UK/USA/many other countries.

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#39
You can draw parallells to the history of power since the dawn of mankind really. In the beginning writing and reading was exclusive to those in power and they denied the common people the possibility to learn and write to keep them "blind" and uninformed. Similar case here where they are blinded by lies and facts that might be true but might as well not be as they lack any comparision or point after a while.

A government never really have a lot to gain by a very big and intellectual population as that makes it harder to rule. Of course ruling is the goal in dictatorial countries and a tool of reforms and change in a democratic country.
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