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#1
i asked my professor the other day what happens when all music genres have been tapped and there is no possible way for anything new to arise because all the tricks in the bag have been tapped.

he replied by asking "have you ever heard of country dubstep?"

well i googled it and found it. its not good, at all.


but i'll repeat myself. What happens when every style is covered? where does music go?
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#5
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Every genre can't be covered. that's a retarded thing to think.



the notes on the scale ARE FINITE. you can't make new notes as simply as you can not visualize a new color.

so if you can't make new notes, all of the combinations of notes must run out someday!!! because they are not infinite!!!!!!

i'm not worried about my own originality, i am merely asking a philosophical question.

when everything has been done, what else is there?
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#6
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#7
Yes, you have 12, finite notes in a typical chromatic scale.

The ways those notes can be played, be it order, style, timbre, harmony, rhythm, etc. is virtually limitless and the only argument against that is a lame excuse for a lack of creativity.
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#8
Quote by Panasonic3
the notes on the scale ARE FINITE. you can't make new notes as simply as you can not visualize a new color.

so if you can't make new notes, all of the combinations of notes must run out someday!!! because they are not infinite!!!!!!

i'm not worried about my own originality, i am merely asking a philosophical question.

when everything has been done, what else is there?

This is so boring and dumb... This isn't worth discussing.
#9
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when everything has been done, what else is there?

Actually a good question...

I think that music will always somehow evolve. There will always be new styles. But if these new styles sound good is another question...
#10
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This is so boring and dumb... This isn't worth discussing.


how shallow of you.


i like the idea that music will always somehow evolve, but i just can't shake the feeling that it will become obsolete in a matter of time.
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#12
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Boring, dumb, not worth discussing.


+1

This is like asking what'll happen to books when every combination of words are used up.
#13
The number of songs that can be written and genres that can exist are essentially limitless. Seemingly like the number of exclamation marks you can use.
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#14
Plus the way those interact with the other instruments like harmonizing, polyrhythms, etc. There are limitless patterns that can be used within different tempos inside different time signatures within different styles of music. Basically listen to the message Ive heard several musicians say "stop thinking and just ****ing play".

How many times has a simple I, IV, V chord progression been used to tell so many different stories and convey so many different moods? Music is limitless. Your imagination, however, may not be.
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#15
Quote by Panasonic3
how shallow of you.


i like the idea that music will always somehow evolve, but i just can't shake the feeling that it will become obsolete in a matter of time.

Humans have been making music for tens of thousands of years

I don't think it's ever going to become obsolete
#17
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#18
^Or you could use google or youtube
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#19
you just put sounds together till you like it.
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#20
it seems most people are saying "virtually limitless," which means finite.


im sorry if i offended or made anyone feel belittled by my philosophical question.


but if indeed the combinations of notes and instruments is finite, then an end must come.

right??
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#21
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^Or you could use google or youtube


But I don't wanna.


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#24
There are plenty of things about music that are NOT finite. In fact in theory I think you would be hard pressed to find a single aspect that actually is finite.

Can you elaborate on what you believe to be finite?
#25
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#27
Quote by Panasonic3
it seems most people are saying "virtually limitless," which means finite.


im sorry if i offended or made anyone feel belittled by my philosophical question.


but if indeed the combinations of notes and instruments is finite, then an end must come.

right??

This isn't philosophy. It's stoner comic material.
#28
Quote by Panasonic3
it seems most people are saying "virtually limitless," which means finite.


im sorry if i offended or made anyone feel belittled by my philosophical question.


but if indeed the combinations of notes and instruments is finite, then an end must come.

right??

Tone color. Music isn't limited by notes and instruments. We have technology that can change a sound down to the waveform. Notes don't mean anything.

It's all about tone/tone color, bitches.
#29
Quote by archerkoala
There are plenty of things about music that are NOT finite. In fact in theory I think you would be hard pressed to find a single aspect that actually is finite.

Can you elaborate on what you believe to be finite?



the notes on the scale. there's only 12 half steps. some cultures use quarter steps. but you can only split each half so many ways until it becomes undiscernable to the human ear. a difference in pitch of 1 cent is very difficult for most people to hear.

now i'm wondering about inventing new instruments... we have strings and wind and percussion and the proximity wielding theremin. what else is there?
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#30
Yeah but really... come on, as has been said a hundred times already, every use of those notes has infinite possibilities.

Again, that's like saying just because every word has been used there can be no new combination of words. Only music arguably has much much more variance.

If you can't look past the notes themselves then you're really missing the point of music, at least in my opinion.
#31
Quote by Panasonic3
the notes on the scale. there's only 12 half steps. some cultures use quarter steps. but you can only split each half so many ways until it becomes undiscernable to the human ear. a difference in pitch of 1 cent is very difficult for most people to hear.

now i'm wondering about inventing new instruments... we have strings and wind and percussion and the proximity wielding theremin. what else is there?



your answers are right here buddy:

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Tone color. Music isn't limited by notes and instruments. We have technology that can change a sound down to the waveform. Notes don't mean anything.


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#32
Quote by Panasonic3
the notes on the scale ARE FINITE. you can't make new notes as simply as you can not visualize a new color.

so if you can't make new notes, all of the combinations of notes must run out someday!!! because they are not infinite!!!!!!

i'm not worried about my own originality, i am merely asking a philosophical question.

when everything has been done, what else is there?



In typical western note we have 12 different frequencies that are recognized as different notes. You could make an entirely new style of music by using different frequencies in different intervals as notes.
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#33
I think that it's generally quite stupid to think about this. Five hundred years ago, telling musicians that there would be brass instruments will valves would be borderline blasphemy. Two hundred years ago, telling people a guitar could make 'distortion' and amplify itself would be blasphemy. One hundred years ago, telling people about laser harps and theremins would be blasphemy.

To think we've reached the limit of anything is stupid, especially something as subjective as music. Music reflects culture, and culture is constantly evolving, ergo music is constantly evolving.

tl;dr: Music reflects culture, and culture is constantly evolving, ergo music is constantly evolving.
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Quote by Panasonic3
the notes on the scale ARE FINITE. you can't make new notes as simply as you can not visualize a new color.

so if you can't make new notes, all of the combinations of notes must run out someday!!! because they are not infinite!!!!!!

i'm not worried about my own originality, i am merely asking a philosophical question.

when everything has been done, what else is there?


The notes on the western scales are much more finite than those on others
#36
Quote by Baby Joel
I think that it's generally quite stupid to think about this. Five hundred years ago, telling musicians that there would be brass instruments will valves would be borderline blasphemy. Two hundred years ago, telling people a guitar could make 'distortion' and amplify itself would be blasphemy. One hundred years ago, telling people about laser harps and theremins would be blasphemy.

To think we've reached the limit of anything is stupid, especially something as subjective as music. Music reflects culture, and culture is constantly evolving, ergo music is constantly evolving.

tl;dr: Music reflects culture, and culture is constantly evolving, ergo music is constantly evolving.


The theremin came out roughly a century ago
#37
Quote by mental_zer0
Tone color. Music isn't limited by notes and instruments. We have technology that can change a sound down to the waveform. Notes don't mean anything.

It's all about tone/tone color, bitches.


going back to the thread title, dubstep is a textbook example of this

also relevent, does anybody want to listen to my new dubstep tune ?

#39
country dubstep is interesting...
Lets jump in a pool


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#40
Quote by epiless
The notes on the western scales are much more finite than those on others

+1

There are a lot of ways to explore sound, imo.

Not everything has been covered, although jazz explores melody and rhythm all over the board, but that's only one style. Jazz and classical have differences in their approach, but both are complex melodically.

Electronic/electroacoustic will be prominent though, I'm sure.
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