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I searched and found nothing related, to my surprise.

Anyone been following this? I think it's a brilliant demonstration with a very vivid point. The peaceful nature of it all is really quite astounding in every way, whilst there has been some minor violence, it is not attributed to the peaceful protesters.

If you want to read about it, wikipedia has a really good entry on it. Once again twitter and various other social networks have been the connecting driving force in bringing everyone together.

The last quote in wikipedia's entry of the former PM of spain is a good little phrase that i'll paste in here:

Former prime minister Felipe González compared the protests, which he considered "an extraordinarily important phenomenon",with those staged in Arab countries, pointing out that "in the Arab world they are demanding the right to vote while here they are saying that voting is pointless"


I think it's a really positive protest platform, and should be a template that many others should follow and benefit from - by being entirely peaceful, the police won't attack since there has been no 'disturbance of the peace'. And, in areas across spain, people were starting their rallies sooner to not disturb neighbors.

Whether or not their protests has had any impact on voting has yet to be seen, but i'm quite hopeful. Given recent events, such as countless uprisings and revolutions, i'm really quite positive about the political future.

What are your views and opinions?

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Whether or not their protests has had any impact on voting has yet to be seen, but i'm quite hopeful. Given recent events, such as countless uprisings and revolutions, i'm really quite positive about the political future.


there are a lot of worries about the revolutions also. seen as these dicktators are so fucking stubborn, and the amount of psychopathic behaviour being influenced on the army, i find it hard to say anything will happen in the arab countries apart from the population dropping by 50% before they realize it's not worth it.
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I have lived here (Spain) for 10 years and I am unaware of this.

But then again, spanish people are very special... they demand a lot without having a single clue about consecuences.
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there are a lot of worries about the revolutions also. seen as these dicktators are so fucking stubborn, and the amount of psychopathic behaviour being influenced on the army, i find it hard to say anything will happen in the arab countries apart from the population dropping by 50% before they realize it's not worth it.

Also, the countries could easily become worse to live in under a new government, if they're not careful.
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I think it is very important that they're there to protest, and not to party and drink beer.
They're actually sending out the right signals.
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What are they exactly protesting for?
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I have lived here (Spain) for 10 years and I am unaware of this.

But then again, spanish people are very special... they demand a lot without having a single clue about consecuences.

They're already experiencing the consequences of the failure of the international banking system - almost half of all young people are unemployed, educations has become devalued to the point where employment rates fro non graduates and graduates have practically converged.

The demonstrators must create a coherent social programme - this would involve the creation of an impromptu democratic council to effectively articulate and coordinate the struggle. Whilst 'twitter demonstrations' are extremely effective in mobilising people, they are often tragically let down by lack of a coherent political programme, stemming from lack of a democratically accountable leadership - bridging the gap between traditional institutional forms and twitter-driven activism is an incredibly powerful tool in modern activists' toolbox. They must also work to link up with trade unions and workers (both nationally and internationally) in order to create a mass resistance to the government's austerity package, and to underline the failure of global capitalism.
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I think it's great to see such protests take place... I can somehow relate to the spanish students, because the situation is quite similar in my country... it's not just two parties, but a bunch of them gathered in two groups.. and i can't go for any of them, since they're all corrupt..
We also face very high unemployment rate when it comes to students, and the ones that get a job usually have to go with a part - time one..

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This hasn't been reported at all here. Something interesting to follow though.
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They're already experiencing the consequences of the failure of the international banking system - almost half of all young people are unemployed, educations has become devalued to the point where employment rates fro non graduates and graduates have practically converged.

The demonstrators must create a coherent social programme - this would involve the creation of an impromptu democratic council to effectively articulate and coordinate the struggle. Whilst 'twitter demonstrations' are extremely effective in mobilising people, they are often tragically let down by lack of a coherent political programme, stemming from lack of a democratically accountable leadership - bridging the gap between traditional institutional forms and twitter-driven activism is an incredibly powerful tool in modern activists' toolbox. They must also work to link up with trade unions and workers (both nationally and internationally) in order to create a mass resistance to the government's austerity package, and to underline the failure of global capitalism.

Are you aware of the fact that it was the socialist party that got them into that mess?
They would have to form an entirely new party in a year. That's pretty much impossible.
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Are you aware of the fact that it was the socialist party that got them into that mess?
They would have to form an entirely new party in a year. That's pretty much impossible.

'Socialist' Party. Not to mention the death of social democratic parties in the last 30 years, mainstream political parties of all forms have been funnelled down the same path of austerity by the power of financial markets in being able to dictate to governments. The actions of all governments' austerity plans are determined by the action mandated by international capitalism, not the individual preferences of each government - changing the government will make no difference whatsoever. What is needed is fundamental social economic change.

And who said this was about forming political parties to contest elections?
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there are a lot of worries about the revolutions also. seen as these dicktators are so fucking stubborn, and the amount of psychopathic behaviour being influenced on the army, i find it hard to say anything will happen in the arab countries apart from the population dropping by 50% before they realize it's not worth it.


Yeh, i mean part of me agrees.

But given enough voice and backing from international standings, i have to believe that a good change can be made - if that doesn't exist then it just proves politics is even more of a waste of time than anyone previously thought. /hope

As for Spain, i feel this is one hell of a positive stamp for change, which i hope will spread across europe, specifically in the UK - which is in dire need of a protest that doesn't involve BNP dick heads or neo-nazi retards.

As for the arab states, it is a sad truth that most of their leaders are so bent with power that they will (and have) mow down their own people. And there is generally either someone worse in the wings, or someone waiting to seize power and then revert to previous years. But even given that, there are still people that exist in that sphere of politics that are there to make a positive change - it's just that then makes a target, therefore making them less likely be vocal. Which is where international involvement is needed to induce a fair system. And i know 'fair' is a term to be used in a hopeful light -.-
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