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#1
This is an international petition started by AVAAZ to end the global war on drugs.

I'm not going to go in to the specifics of the argument, I merely ask that if you agree, you sign

This isn't in the drugs thread or the politics thread because I thought it deserved it's own thread, if the mods disagree then feel free to close it

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#3
Yes.
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#5
Yep.
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#6
Quote by PotBellyShogun
nope


Any reason why?

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#7
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Any reason why?

bcuz drugs r bad and like they killd my uncl and stuf.
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#10
Sure! Why not...also anyone who actively refuses to sign is just being silly...SILLY!
#11
Quote by PotBellyShogun
Marijuana killed my brother.

And people die from car accidents as well, should we start the war on cars?
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#14
Quote by PotBellyShogun
Cars are a necessity, ingesting harmful marijuana smoke is not.

Necessity?

People lived for thousands of years without them.
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#15
Quote by PotBellyShogun
Cars are a necessity, ingesting harmful marijuana smoke is not.


It is, however, a personal choice that should not be dictated by law.

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#17
hoping its legit, signed
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#19
Check out the Vienna Declaration - I feel it's more likely to change something than those meddling Avazz lads. http://www.viennadeclaration.com/
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#20
Quote by PotBellyShogun
Cars are a necessity, ingesting harmful marijuana smoke is not.

That's stupid. Being gay isn't a necessity, being black isn't a necessity, KFC isn't a necessity and neither is porn.

But you don't hear me waging war against 'em
#21
Quote by PotBellyShogun
People lived without smoking marijuana smoke for thousands of years, you're argument is invalid.

I never said marijuana is a nesscity though, so your attampt at trying to prove me wrong has failed, marijuana should be a choice.
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#22
Quote by I_Am_Iron_Man
Legalizing drugs won't get rid of addicts.


It will lower illicit drug addiction rates as has been seen in Switzerland with their "free junk for junkies" scheme. There are more prescription drug addicts in the world than illicit drug addicts, prescription drugs also kill more people.
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#23
Seriously though, the people asking for drugs to be legalized are just too retarded to find themselves a good dealer.

#24
Quote by Basti95
That's stupid. Being gay isn't a necessity, being black isn't a necessity, KFC isn't a necessity and neither is porn.

But you don't hear me waging war against 'em



The stupidest thing I have ever read.
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#25
Quote by I_Am_Iron_Man
Legalizing drugs won't get rid of addicts.


It will reduce drug related crime such as theft/burglary, reduce the amount of deaths by overdose and allow addicts to function in society instead of getting stuck in a cycle of prison and homelessness.

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People lived without smoking marijuana smoke for thousands of years, you're argument is invalid.


People have been smoking marijuana for thousands of years

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#26
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Seriously though, the people asking for drugs to be legalized are just too retarded to find themselves a good dealer.



So you're saying that people who (amongst other things) don't want to be labelled as criminals and pay ridiculously inflated prices for inferior and potentially dangerous (e.g. drugs cut with rat poison etc.) materials are retarded? I'm not sure I'm following your point dude.
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#27
Quote by EMGs_rule
It will reduce drug related crime such as theft/burglary, reduce the amount of deaths by overdose and allow addicts to function in society instead of getting stuck in a cycle of prison and homelessness.



Will it? I'm not too well versed on the whole subject, one thing I'm confused about is the distribution of the drugs once they are legal.

My main issue is that if you're an addict, you're an addict. If by the new system you are allowed x-amount of Heroin per week, but you want more, then surely someone could sell you their heroin, therefore still necessitating the addicts to pursue theft and burglary to fund it. So the whole Dealer-Addict system still exists, just with a new middle man.
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#28
Quote by fortysix&2
So you're saying that people who (amongst other things) don't want to be labelled as criminals and pay ridiculously inflated prices for inferior and potentially dangerous (e.g. drugs cut with rat poison etc.) materials are retarded? I'm not sure I'm following your point dude.


I said good dealer, not average Shady McStreet.

I don't even do drugs but I know this to be a fact.
#29
Drugs can be legalized.
You just can't trust the population to use it correctly without interfering with work/school/the law.

That is why they're banned.

inb4 "bu' ah won' aboose dem"
because you'll get addicted, want more and then the cycle will continue.
It's easy to get addicted.
Any system in place to prevent that happening will be abused.
#30
^You can say the same for alchohol but it is legalized.
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#31
Humanity is unnecessary, and should be eradicated. It would fix a lot of other problems, too, like this. We wouldn't even be having the argument.
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#32
Quote by I_Am_Iron_Man
Will it? I'm not too well versed on the whole subject, one thing I'm confused about is the distribution of the drugs once they are legal.

My main issue is that if you're an addict, you're an addict. If by the new system you are allowed x-amount of Heroin per week, but you want more, then surely someone could sell you their heroin, therefore still necessitating the addicts to pursue theft and burglary to fund it. So the whole Dealer-Addict system still exists, just with a new middle man.


That's why he said reduce. Your point is pretty much the only wall between legality and safety, which sucks.
Instead of picking at the points, just look at the wider picture and see the pros and cons, and which outweighs which. For me, the evidence is stacked up heavily against drugs being criminalised, not least legalised.

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#33
This isn't a war on drugs, this is a war on personal freedom.
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#34
Quote by I_Am_Iron_Man
Will it? I'm not too well versed on the whole subject, one thing I'm confused about is the distribution of the drugs once they are legal.

My main issue is that if you're an addict, you're an addict. If by the new system you are allowed x-amount of Heroin per week, but you want more, then surely someone could sell you their heroin, therefore still necessitating the addicts to pursue theft and burglary to fund it. So the whole Dealer-Addict system still exists, just with a new middle man.


If drugs were legal - even with tax - they'd be a whole lot cheaper and safer (it's assumed if drugs were legal they'd be available pure and unadulterated). Loads of people in society are addicts and they get on just fine whether it be illicit drugs or (more likely) pharmaceuticals/alcohol/tobacco/caffeine.
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#35
Quote by GbAdimDb5m7
^You can say the same for alchohol but it is legalized.


I think alcohol should be banned aswell.
Imagine the society we would live in without it.
The amount of crime/driving/fighting problems will be reduced.
There's a good chance that what I've written above is useless and if you take any of the advice it's your own fault.
#36
Quote by GbAdimDb5m7
Necessity?

People lived for thousands of years without them.


Hmmm...I think that's a very limited and narrow argument. In a world where everyone has cars, and where the world is organised in a manner that requires cars, they are effectively a necessity. Practically you can be said to "need" cars.


I'm not sure about legalising drugs. I see the logic behind it but have never been entirely convinced by the idea. The amount of people who would try drugs would almost certainly increase. The only worry is whether the number of regular users and addicts increases or stays roughly the same. And to that question I have no answer.
#37
Quote by Reagar
I'm not sure about legalising drugs. I see the logic behind it but have never been entirely convinced by the idea. The amount of people who would try drugs would almost certainly increase. The only worry is whether the number of regular users and addicts increases or stays roughly the same. And to that question I have no answer.


That hasn't happened where drugs have been decriminalised.

Portugal being just one example - http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

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#39
Quote by PotBellyShogun
I said good dealer, not average Shady McStreet.

I don't even do drugs but I know this to be a fact.


"Good dealers" can't really exist in a black market - they buy stuff that may or may not be adulterated for a ridiculously high price (come on - cannabis is worth more than it's weight in gold, a plant that can be grown pretty much anywhere is worth more than a precious metal you have to construct massive mines to get?!) so they can't provide this "good" service as you say, because they need to live too.

I don't even do drugs often but I know what you said earlier is not fact, it confuses me that you could think that.
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#40
Quote by GbAdimDb5m7
^You can say the same for alchohol but it is legalized.

Bt da governmnt mak lots f monyz taxn alcholz
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