Poll: Should math and music be considered associated with each other?
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Yes
62 37%
No
40 24%
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64 39%
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#1
Alright guys, i'm sure you've all heard somewhere or somehow that in the family of subjects, music and math are like cousins. It makes sense because, well, you need to know how to count rhythms and time (which is expressed as a fraction) and a whole other bunch of concepts that relate to math in a way. Question is, do you agree with this?

Personally, im 50/50 on the subject. I can obviously see why math and music correlate to each other, but at the same time, it's not like there's a formula to music . The reason I bring this up is because my math teacher once told me she couldn't believe how I could be so terrible at math but I was very musically skilled. I told her it's not really the same thing, but I can somewhat see where she's coming from (although she admitted to me she was terrible at music and thought music was a hell of a lot harder to understand than math).

Funny thing though, I mostly listen to really technical polyrhythmic shit and I love it when math is heavily applied to the music. You know, to the point where you can barely even headbang. It's just so cool and I love breaking down the rhythms. But sometimes I wonder, how the hell am I so terrible at math? I wish it was a joke, but I literally do not understand 8 out of 10 math section in school. Im horrible in algebra, and I barely pass it in school.

To sum it up, you'd think that by understanding music the way I do, i'd be able to do algebra or other math in school with ease, but that's not the case. So pit, do you agree that math go hand in hand? Are you good at one but bad at the other? Discuss.

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#3
Take it TS.
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Well I'm working at an A* for music and just about a C for mathematics...so no.
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#5
Well you said yourself that you're 50/50 on the subject yet you didn't put a 50/50 choice in the poll, wut?

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#7
There's obviously a lot of maths in music but a lot of music is instinctive - you don't sit there thinking oh, that note is whatever ratio of the frequency of the last note and I like that. So there's no need to appreciate the maths side of it unless you really want to. But then if you want to get into that side of it you can compose some interesting sounding stuff. Dunno what else to say really.
#11
Music is applied maths - so is everything. You can explain music with maths; but unless you're really really good at the maths it doesn't mean anything.

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#12
Same here... I love those technical rhythms, but I suck at math too...

A funny thing happened recently... A couple of days ago I told my math teacher I'm gonna play with a couple of mates for a school project (she didn't know I play the guitar), and I was surprised because she got very interested about it.
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#14
First, to be good at something you have to like it. It's way easier this way. I think school related things are hard to appreciate simply because they are school related. It's all in the head. Think about it, when you were young, I don't think you enjoyed sitting all day long and reading while you had the energy to jump around and have fun with your friends. That's just how kids are. So you grow with the idea that school isn't enjoyable. Mathematics can be enjoyable when you think about it. It can be pretty interesting. And it's easy to put a lot of time and effort in something interesting. That's what happens with music.

I think they are related because at some point, when music is so complicated that it's hard to understand or even like, as when you hear a complicated song the first time. You just can't understand what's going on. It becomes mathematic music. Such as a lot of prog bands (Protest the Hero, Between the Buried and me, Animals as Leaders, Scale the Summit, etc...)
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#15
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Same here... I love those technical rhythms, but I suck at math too...

A funny thing happened recently... A couple of days ago I told my math teacher I'm gonna play with a couple of mates for a school project (she didn't know I play the guitar), and I was surprised because she got very interested about it.

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#17
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There's obviously a lot of maths in music but a lot of music is instinctive - you don't sit there thinking oh, that note is whatever ratio of the frequency of the last note and I like that. So there's no need to appreciate the maths side of it unless you really want to. But then if you want to get into that side of it you can compose some interesting sounding stuff. Dunno what else to say really.


I'd argue that maths is also instinctive.
You don't sit there questioning whether 7 strings are more than 6. The majority of maths that you do day to day is based on instinct and more importantly memory. You remember that 2+2=4 in the same way you remember that C E G is a C major chord.
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#19
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Its maths you ****ing idiot

In my beast-ass country we call it math. No need for the extra S.

And crap, I forgot to add in the 50/50 option to my poll
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#20
My friend and I had this discussion a few weeks ago. I'm kinda on the fence saying there is no correlation. The thing with music is that it doesn't take polynomial equations to create a 12/8 time signature. Polyrhythms do take an effort to count out but it's only relative to the space in time each rhythm falls into place of the beat. I encourage you to read this article though: http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html

I've only ever been good at Algebra and have most likely failed PreCalculus my Senior year, but I'm very decent at rhythms. My friend who I had the discussion with is an excellent, excellent drummer/teacher - an expert on rhythm no doubt! He believed math and music were correlated but when I asked him if he was good at math (and I already knew the answer), he said he wasn't. I mean there was no doubt in the ballpark that it's hard to find a correlation of.

Also, mathematics are more of an analytic skill on the Left side of your brain. Music is a creative skill on your Right side of the brain. I'm not saying the Right and Left cannot intermesh, because counting rhythms do, but it's just hard to really say. Pythagoras, being a mathematic and musical genius, would beg to differ but hey, it really depends upon person to person and I think that there's no real correlation.

Again, unless you're really just trying to be cool and create serialist music, having to use polynomial equations or the Law of Sines barely has anything to do with counting sixteenth notes.
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#21
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I'd argue that maths is also instinctive.
You don't sit there questioning whether 7 strings are more than 6. The majority of maths that you do day to day is based on instinct and more importantly memory. You remember that 2+2=4 in the same way you remember that C E G is a C major chord.



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#23
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Well, music has a close link to physics, with wavelengths and shit, and physics is linked with mathematics. Yeah, perhaps.
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#24
Quote by doive
I'd argue that maths is also instinctive.
You don't sit there questioning whether 7 strings are more than 6. The majority of maths that you do day to day is based on instinct and more importantly memory. You remember that 2+2=4 in the same way you remember that C E G is a C major chord.
Yeah but if I played you some complicated music with a few wrong notes in you could pick them out instinctively. If I showed you a complicated integration or an accounting balance sheet or a matrix transformation or whatever you'd need to do some processing to figure out where the mistakes were.
#25
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My friend and I had this discussion a few weeks ago. I'm kinda on the fence saying there is no correlation. The thing with music is that it doesn't take polynomial equations to create a 12/8 time signature. Polyrhythms do take an effort to count out but it's only relative to the space in time each rhythm falls into place of the beat. I encourage you to read this article though: http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html...

I have found Vai's Martian Love Secrets articles in his Little Black Dots section to be very inspirational as well.

Also... is it just British people that say "maths"?
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#26
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I have found Vai's Martian Love Secrets articles in his Little Black Dots section to be very inspirational as well.

Also... is it just British people that say "maths"?

'maths' is the grammatically correct short version of mathematics, it makes no sense to miss the 's'.
#27
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'maths' is the grammatically correct short version of mathematics, it makes no sense to miss the 's'.

That makes sense, though a trip to Wikipedia seemed to confirm my suspicion. I've certainly never heard "maths" outside of my experience on forums, and I've never been corrected when using "math" in speech.
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#30
Anything can be analogized with math.


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'maths' is the grammatically correct short version of mathematics, it makes no sense to miss the 's'.


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#31
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Same here... I love those technical rhythms, but I suck at math too...

A funny thing happened recently... A couple of days ago I told my math teacher I'm gonna play with a couple of mates for a school project (she didn't know I play the guitar), and I was surprised because she got very interested about it.

She obviously wants to fuck you.



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#32
i hate math with every fiber in my being
i love music with every fiber in my being
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#33
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i hate math with every fiber in my being
i love music with every fiber in my being


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#34
Math is my favorite, and best subject at school, and I'm fairly good with music (my guitar teacher says that I pick up things quicker).
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#36
I'm pretty good with both, but I don't think they really have too much of a relation.
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#37
Are they similar? Sure. But does that mean that being good at one makes you good at the other? Hell no. I get confused in math the second a letter or fraction gets involved, but I can break a song down into beats and phrases and such like there's no tomorrow. And for your side question, take it. Why would you turn down $400 a night to be a professional asshole?
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#38
You can apply maths to music, but then you can also apply maths to pretty much anything.
Music is much more subjective than maths. There are no fundamental axioms or proofs. You could say that music theory is sort of like this, but even that is not universal and does not need to be followed strictly.

I would not say that they have any transferrable skills between them.
#39
In some places it's called "Maths."

In some places it's called "Math."

They mean the same thing, anyone with two brain cells knows what each one refers to and there is no point in saying one is better than the other.
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#40
Music has as much math as working on a potato field. It's all just simple addition and sometimes if you feel freaky a bit of subtraction.

In every band rehearsal around the world you hear stuff like "Ok dude, so you play this part 4 times, then the other 8 times, then comes this da-nana-naaa part and then we're back to the first part".
Not that hard, really.
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