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#1
Well pit, I got bend over by my guitar tech and my amp.

My Engl Souvereign broke down a year ago, it had some history with repairs and I let this tech tweak some things on it once. He said there would be a chance it would brake down again soon, some capacitors didn't look all that well.

Well, it broke down alright, so I figured I should buy a new amp, get this one fixed and try to sell it, because I have had it with all the problems on it. I took it to the same tech I let it tweak a year before, because I liked what he has done with it, so I figured out he would do a nice job fixing it too.

Last week, when I called him again, he finally had it fixed. It took him a year and he never said anything about it, what was wrong or what it would be costing. The price he mentioned for fixing it was:


Wait for it...


1100 euro's!!!
That's more than I bought that amp for!! He could have at least let me know what was wrong and give me an estimation of the price!

Well, I don't have the money and I'm actually not planning on paying it. So pit, what should I do?

TLDR: Got my amp fixed, it costs 1100 euro's. Not paying, it's more than it is worth
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#2
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I'd say as the guy what the hell he did and why didn't he ask you first?
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#7
What you really need is a new guitar tech.

I wouldn't pay that, he could have told you it would cost a massive amount of money to fix before fixing it, not to mention it took a year. That's bad business.
#8
1100 euros is faaaaar excessive. The shop i work at did a complete rebuild, retube and everything on an original Marshall Plexi, and we charged just under $500 fi I remember correctly. Now mind you, this was new caps, choke, transformer, rewiring most of the amp. the works. What this tech is doing is highway robbery. The only reason it would be that much is if he threw yours out and bought a brand new one to replace it.
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1100 euros is faaaaar excessive. The shop i work at did a complete rebuild, retube and everything on an original Marshall Plexi, and we charged just under $500 fi I remember correctly. Now mind you, this was new caps, choke, transformer, rewiring most of the amp. the works. What this tech is doing is highway robbery. The only reason it would be that much is if he threw yours out and bought a brand new one to replace it.

And charged a throw away fee on the other.
#11
Thanks guys!

My idea was to say: "I'm not paying, you can have it and sell it and we split any profit. If there is no profit, take it and we are done."
Off course I will be there when the transaction takes place to check it. Might even bring some muscle
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#12
Don´t you have any skilled friends? There has to be better solutions that paying in repair MORE than you paid for it in the first place, which sounds like total nonsence to me...

EDIT: You HAVE to get it fixed to sell it. Who will buy an amp and then pay 1100 for repair?
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#13
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Don´t you have any skilled friends? There has to be better solutions that paying in repair MORE than you paid for it in the first place, which sounds like total nonsence to me...


I've got friends skilled in fighting, car racing, car repairing, math, drinking and printing, but none in guitar, guitar repair and amp repair.

I do know a computer geek, you figure if I give him the amp and the schedule of the wiring he could do some tricks?
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#14
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It took him a year and he never said anything about it, what was wrong or what it would be costing. The price he mentioned for fixing it was:


Wait for it...


1100 euro's!!!

I'm pretty sure there are laws against stuff like that. Why didn't you get on his ass to fix it after the first two weeks? No way in hell does an amp repair take an entire year, the guy either didn't give two craps about your amp or he had no idea what he was doing.
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I've got friends skilled in fighting, car racing, car repairing, math, drinking and printing, but none in guitar, guitar repair and amp repair.

I do know a computer geek, you figure if I give him the amp and the schedule of the wiring he could do some tricks?


If he knows wiring diagrams, schematics, soldering, and safety, then....... probably not. It's a shot in the dark if you go that route. Also, find another place to do the work. I'm sure someone around you will be willing to do it for a much fairer price.

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My Engl Souvereign broke down a year ago, it had some history with repairs and I let this tech tweak some things on it once. He said there would be a chance it would brake down again soon, some capacitors didn't look all that well.


If this didn't clue you into knowing he didn't know what he was doing, I don't know what else would have. The minute we suspect a part is going bad/dying, we replace it. If it's gonna be a massive upcharge, we call the guy and ask if it's ok to do it and if he's ok with the upcharge. And being that capacitors are pretty big parts of the amp, he should have fixed that problem the minute he saw it.
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#16
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I do know a computer geek, you figure if I give him the amp and the schedule of the wiring he could do some tricks?

Highly doubt it. Computer repair VERY rarely consists of actualy fixing broken parts.
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#17
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If he knows wiring diagrams, schematics, soldering, and safety, then....... probably not. It's a shot in the dark if you go that route. Also, find another place to do the work. I'm sure someone around you will be willing to do it for a much fairer price.



Yeah I know, but he already did the work. FOR 1100 EURO'S...

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I'm pretty sure there are laws against stuff like that. Why didn't you get on his ass to fix it after the first two weeks? No way in hell does an amp repair take an entire year, the guy either didn't give two craps about your amp or he had no idea what he was doing.


I did, he told me he was busy with other amps. I've seen other amps over there, he did a good job. And I bought another amp, so there was no rush. I told him to fix it when he had the time so it wasn't a rush job and I knew it would be done properly.
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Highly doubt it. Computer repair VERY rarely consists of actualy fixing broken parts.


Yeah, but he has taken apart and put back together radio's, microwaves and stuff like that. He even built his own small EMP once, he used it to screw up a TV. That was massive fun! He's very skilled with electronics and now he studies Electronica at the technical university.
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#19
Why didn't you get a quote before he started work on it?
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#20
What you need is a new amp!

OT: trading standards or something might be able to help?
#21
The only logical explanation I could come up with for charging so much is if it was incredibly hard to fix or find parts for and he's trying to charge so much to justify all the work.
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Yeah I know, but he already did the work. FOR 1100 EURO'S...


I did, he told me he was busy with other amps. I've seen other amps over there, he did a good job. And I bought another amp, so there was no rush. I told him to fix it when he had the time so it wasn't a rush job and I knew it would be done properly.



ah, missed the part where you said he;d done the work already.

in any case, that charge is a complete bullshit charge. Being that 1100 euros converts to just over $1500.
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#23
well if he's studying an electronics degree he will probably be able to get it done or get help to get it done.. but you're thinking about that a bit too late you need to get the amp back from the "tech" who is trying to rip you off

to be honest sounds to me like he is trying to take the piss so he can either fleece you for loads of cash / you'll give up and he can sell it for profit anyway if you give up

must be some consumer protection group in your country if youre in the eurozone (well if you're in belgium you're screwed based on personal experience but otherwise :P)
#24
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The only logical explanation I could come up with for charging so much is if it was incredibly hard to fix or find parts for and he's trying to charge so much to justify all the work.


Even with that, I wouldn't put it anywhere maybe $200. Unless it needed a complete rewire. And parts aren't that hard to come by. a few calls to Engl would have gotten him the parts, otherwise it would have gotten him the parts they cross reference with.
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well if he's studying an electronics degree he will probably be able to get it done or get help to get it done.. but you're thinking about that a bit too late you need to get the amp back from the "tech" who is trying to rip you off

to be honest sounds to me like he is trying to take the piss so he can either fleece you for loads of cash / you'll give up and he can sell it for profit anyway if you give up

must be some consumer protection group in your country if youre in the eurozone (well if you're in belgium you're screwed based on personal experience but otherwise :P)


Great... I'm from Holland be he lives and works in Belgium. So I'm pretty much ****ed now? And who should I inform, the Belgian or the Dutch group?
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#26
You should have agreed on a price with him at the beginning.

You could give him the amp and get a new one, or you could ask for a different payment method
#27
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Even with that, I wouldn't put it anywhere maybe $200. Unless it needed a complete rewire. And parts aren't that hard to come by. a few calls to Engl would have gotten him the parts, otherwise it would have gotten him the parts they cross reference with.


Don't forget the cost of the tubes, I think they are 90 euro's for the power amp and 200 for the pre amp. They were called silvertops or silverblades I think...
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Don't forget the cost of the tubes, I think they are 90 euro's for the power amp and 200 for the pre amp. They were called silvertops or silverblades I think...


Per tube? A set of =C= 6l6 run $80 for a pair, and $15 for a single preamp tube. And, assuming this is a 100 watt with 5 preamp tubes, that's $160 for the power stage, and $75 for the preamp section. So either he upcharged the shit out of your tubes, you got some super highend, awesome shit, or he's blowing smoke out of his ass and taking you for a ride.
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Per tube? A set of =C= 6l6 run $80 for a pair, and $15 for a single preamp tube. And, assuming this is a 100 watt with 5 preamp tubes, that's $160 for the power stage, and $75 for the preamp section. So either he upcharged the shit out of your tubes, you got some super highend, awesome shit, or he's blowing smoke out of his ass and taking you for a ride.


I don't know the exact names of the pre amp tubes, nor do I know the prices. The power tubes are 5881's from Sovtek, pretty standard shit. I reckon he could throw in better, but not every brand makes 5881's, so they could get pricey. The preamp tubes are the same he threw in a year ago, they were nice and tight, but I think they were 200 euros for 5 of them, so pricey, but awesome.
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#30
Sounds to me as if the tech was banking on you never calling back to get the amp. Perhaps he now plays on it and doesn't want to get rid of it? Or maybe he's already sold it to someone and is charging what a new one would cost.

I know at my shop we fix tons of things from amps to guitars to saxophones and violins. Many times we attempt to contact the person only to never have them respond back. Thats why we reserve the right after 30 days to sell the item to recover our time and money.

I'd say after a year, you have massive debt thanks to your laziness, no offense.
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Great... I'm from Holland be he lives and works in Belgium. So I'm pretty much ****ed now? And who should I inform, the Belgian or the Dutch group?

ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news !!

well i had a problem in antwerp where a hotel locked us out of our rooms and tried to charge us 300e extra ("cash only") wouldn't even let us grab our stuff and leave so in the end we had to get the police involved and it took about 3 ****ing hours cause they had to get a specialist in horeca-tourisme law and we just got to take our stuff and go to another hotel without any refunds : [

i suppose you should go to the belgian group if that's where the business is run from but everything there was such a ridiculous amount of pointless bureaucracy it actually really put me off going back

maybe call the dutch one first and check if they can do anything for you but i think they will probably refer you to the other side of the border

but i suppose your other options are trying to talk him into being more reasonable, or actually illegal, where charging 1500 isn't illegal just unfair..
#32
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Sounds to me as if the tech was banking on you never calling back to get the amp. Perhaps he now plays on it and doesn't want to get rid of it? Or maybe he's already sold it to someone and is charging what a new one would cost.

I know at my shop we fix tons of things from amps to guitars to saxophones and violins. Many times we attempt to contact the person only to never have them respond back. Thats why we reserve the right after 30 days to sell the item to recover our time and money.

I'd say after a year, you have massive debt thanks to your laziness, no offense.


We do this at the shop I work at as well, but OP stated that the tech was taking his time getting to it. It wasn't fixed within the first week and left for a year.
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Sounds to me as if the tech was banking on you never calling back to get the amp. Perhaps he now plays on it and doesn't want to get rid of it? Or maybe he's already sold it to someone and is charging what a new one would cost.

I know at my shop we fix tons of things from amps to guitars to saxophones and violins. Many times we attempt to contact the person only to never have them respond back. Thats why we reserve the right after 30 days to sell the item to recover our time and money.

I'd say after a year, you have massive debt thanks to your laziness, no offense.


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I did, he told me he was busy with other amps. I've seen other amps over there, he did a good job. And I bought another amp, so there was no rush. I told him to fix it when he had the time so it wasn't a rush job and I knew it would be done properly.


And I called him after 2 weeks to check if he had any news, which he had not. He told me he would call me. A week ago I decided to call him, to see if he had checked it already and then this happened.
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We do this at the shop I work at as well, but OP stated that the tech was taking his time getting to it. It wasn't fixed within the first week and left for a year.


I guess I'm failing to understand why OP didn't call the second or third week, instead of waiting for a year to pass. If the tech said that it was gonna take a year, I would have told him to **** off, personally.

EDIT:^^^^I see that you tried and had another amp. I understand the no rush thing, but a year? really? and he wants to charge 1100 euros?


TS, guess who you are in this situation....
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#35
In my mind, this is what happened.
He tried to fix it for a very long time, but made it worse. He was stuck, and thought he'll secretly buy a new amp exactly the same, and pretend that he fixed yours. He went out of his way and spent his own money, and now wants you to pay the money for the amp that he "fixed".
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#36
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TS, guess who you are in this situation....


Neither, because they both seem to enjoy it...
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#38
Well guys, it's time I call him and tell him I'm dropping by. What I will say:
"I'm not paying that price and even if I would pay, I wouldn't have the money. So lower the price and I might be able to pay."
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Well guys, it's time I call him and tell him I'm dropping by. What I will say:
"I'm not paying that price and even if I would pay, I wouldn't have the money. So lower the price and I might be able to pay."


Ask him to describe everything in detail when you call him. Write it down. And report back to us. If he says anything like "I don't have time to deal with this" or "i don't remember", he's probably lying to cover his ass. Get it out of him. exactly what he did. Also, what was the problem you sent the amp in for work in the first place?
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