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I noticed a lot of users on these UG threads bashing Marshall MG's. Being kind of n00b in the amp department, I was wondering what makes them earn this poor reputation?

I was even considering getting the MG stack as a graduation present next year, but now...
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#2
They're a terrible amp.

Your paying for that cheap plastic name on the front.

Buy a vypyr.
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#6
Okay okay It's out of my mind now. LOL. But serisously what makes them that bad!?! The curiosity is killing me!!!!
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#8
Mostly what makes them so hated, is not that they are objectively terrible, but that for the same price, you can get other amps that have a far superior sound quality. That's all.

Not that they aren't objectively terrible. They are. But they're even more terrible considering how many other better options are out there for the same price.
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#9
Would I be better off getting A Mesa Combo?
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Would I be better off getting A Mesa Combo?
By far. I can't think of a bad Mesa combo off the top of my head. They all do their thing well, and have different strengths, but overall, in my experience, they sound good.
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By far. I can't think of a bad Mesa combo off the top of my head. They all do their thing well, and have different strengths, but overall, in my experience, they sound good.

Yeah.

MGs have a bad rep because they are bad amps for a stupid price. It's that simple.
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Would I be better off getting A Mesa Combo?

Not even a close comparison. You'd be far, far better off.

MGs are the equivalent of a sonic abortion.
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Would I be better off getting A Mesa Combo?
Out of curiosity, what kind of music do you play?
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Yeah but an mg like 200 and a mesa is like 2000. Big price difference
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Out of curiosity, what kind of music do you play?


Apparently Metallica and Green Day...for which a Mesa combo is perfect. (Rectifier or Mark for the Metallica type stuff, Electradyne or Transatlantic for Green Day...but either one will be effective for the other, it just depends on whose amp voicing you prefer.)
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Do you practice with a drummer? What kind of stuff? etc
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Apparently Metallica...for which a Mesa combo is perfect.
My reading comprehension is abysmal. But yeah, definitely.
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Would I be better off getting A Mesa Combo?


Not sure if serious? There's like... a massive price jump between an MG and any Mesa combo. What made you say that?
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#19
MGs aren't totally aweful it's just that if you are expecting the Marshall tone that has made them a great amp maker you will be very disappointed. they keep trying to come up with a solid state amp that delivers the classic tone but so far just haven't succeded. the thing that really makes them hated i think is that they have a great deal of n00b appeal. you will find tons of kids that really haven't learned about good tone playing them and bragging that they have a Marshall. nothing like taking a tube combo and burying the guy with the MG half stack. Guitar Player reviewed the new updated models and gave them decent reviews but i don't hear much of a difference. with some real work you can get a good tone out of them but they tend to fart out at high volumes.
#21
No question there. Mesa hasn't really made a bad amp, per se.

As far as why MG's are bad...
1. They sound bad
2. They're overpriced
3. They're unreliable
4. They're a scam to get people that don't know any better to buy it BECUZ ITZ A MARSHALL!!!!1!!
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MGs aren't totally aweful it's just that if you are expecting the Marshall tone that has made them a great amp maker you will be very disappointed. they keep trying to come up with a solid state amp that delivers the classic tone but so far just haven't succeded. the thing that really makes them hated i think is that they have a great deal of n00b appeal. you will find tons of kids that really haven't learned about good tone playing them and bragging that they have a Marshall. nothing like taking a tube combo and burying the guy with the MG half stack. Guitar Player reviewed the new updated models and gave them decent reviews but i don't hear much of a difference. with some real work you can get a good tone out of them but they tend to fart out at high volumes.

Guitar magazines nearly always give cheap crap mgs good reviews from what i've seen... Probably get paid alot
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1. They sound bad
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2. They're overpriced
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3. They're unreliable
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4. They're a scam to get people that don't know any better to buy it BECUZ ITZ A MARSHALL!!!!1!!
And so much of this.

You can do so much better for the money, and it doesn't even have to be tube. The MG is not a real Marshall, and it's barely even classifiable as a real amp. It's a rebranded oversized practice amp that targets 12 year old n00bs who want to pretend they're so awesome because they have a "Marshall Stack". Seriously, its construction feels like a fucking toy. I've played on Crates that are constructed better than the MG, and were several hundred dollars cheaper too.
#24
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Guitar magazines nearly always give cheap crap mgs good reviews from what i've seen... Probably get paid alot


sometimes i wonder. you'd think that the reviews would be a little more downbeat but perhaps marshall does have some sway with all the advertising they do. not saying i agree just pointing out that a major mag seemed to like them.
#25
Okay judging by the posts I should have clarified a few things. So I'll answer the questions here.

My plan was, for my graduation present (in about a year), my cousin said I would get about $1000 for gear. Being in a punk rock band (and being offered a lot of spots at local clubs, apparently there are not a lot of punk bands in San Jose) I decided I should spend it on a new guitar and a half stack. The MG stack at Guitar Center was $500, so that would give me plenty of room for a nice new Epiphone. However, judging from the posts here, I'm not taking the MG, and it was just a thought in the first place. The second option was of course to spend the whole $1000 on a Mesa Combo and just mic it up if I needed it, and this looks like what I'll probably end up doing.

I don't really model my tone after an artist, I just kind of found what sounds good to me when it comes to amps.
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#26
Spend it on a Mesa combo. You won't even need to mike it up, those bastards are loud.
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#27
You can still get a half stack that has very good tone for what you want in your budget. There's a lot more out there besides Marshall and Mesa. You might not even need to spend it all, and you can still have enough for a nice guitar.

The secret is to go used. Always always always go used when it comes to gear.

So we come full circle. Answer these and we can help you more: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138
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#28
I personally find that the amp has a bigger impact on your tone than the guitar. Go with a used Mesa combo. You won't even have to mic it up and it'll still probably be louder than the MG stack lol.
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#29
Okay lets start fresh here (I'm too lazy to start another forum):

Budget: My budget is $500-$1000. Some money is meant for a new guitar, but it's not that important, I'm focusing on the amp.

Genres: I mostly play hard/alternative rock, punk rock, and metal (various kinds, sans modern metal). Clean tones are not that important, but they would be nice to have. My favorite guitar players are James Hetfield, Johnny Ramone, Steve Jones, Billie Joe Armstrong, Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, and Pat Smear (those are who I could name off the top of my head). I'm primarily a rhythm guitarist.

New or Used?: No preference.

It's important that I can use the amp both at home and at a gig. I play frequently at home and being able to use that same sound at both locations would be a big plus.

I live in San Jose, CA. There are multiple music stores about, including two large Guitar Centers and Rocker Guitars close by in San Francisco.

My rehearsal/gig rig is my Epiphone Les Paul Standard ( ) straight to either a Fender Fronttman 25R (cranked, but it works in rehearsals) and a Fender 100 watt (DSP 100? it's my drummers so I'm not sure what it is exactly) at gigs.

VERY IMPORTANT: I do not like pedals. They get in the way and I prefer to straight rock it. So it is important that the amps gain and volume can hold up.

All help is greatly appreciated!
From a thread asking if it is safe to tell someone the serial number on your amp:
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Okay lets start fresh here (I'm too lazy to start another forum):

Budget: My budget is $500-$1000. Some money is meant for a new guitar, but it's not that important, I'm focusing on the amp.

Genres: I mostly play hard/alternative rock, punk rock, and metal (various kinds, sans modern metal). Clean tones are not that important, but they would be nice to have. My favorite guitar players are James Hetfield, Johnny Ramone, Steve Jones, Billie Joe Armstrong, Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, and Pat Smear (those are who I could name off the top of my head). I'm primarily a rhythm guitarist.

New or Used?: No preference.

It's important that I can use the amp both at home and at a gig. I play frequently at home and being able to use that same sound at both locations would be a big plus.

I live in San Jose, CA. There are multiple music stores about, including two large Guitar Centers and Rocker Guitars close by in San Francisco.

My rehearsal/gig rig is my Epiphone Les Paul Standard ( ) straight to either a Fender Fronttman 25R (cranked, but it works in rehearsals) and a Fender 100 watt (DSP 100? it's my drummers so I'm not sure what it is exactly) at gigs.

VERY IMPORTANT: I do not like pedals. They get in the way and I prefer to straight rock it. So it is important that the amps gain and volume can hold up.

All help is greatly appreciated!

Thank you. That's the kind of info we need.

Checking used, will send help.
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#32
I own one, its an ok amp. For a beginner yes, its great. I personally think the cleans sound thin and lifeless, and the distortion muddy. But I am not the greatest at EQing. I've heard MGs sound incredible through good EQing.

Do not buy an MG halfstack though. Big fat waste of money. Upgrade to toobz man
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#33
Contrary to what some others are saying here, the MG does deserve the slagging it gets here. They sound absolutely disgusting and are overpriced. For the same money you can buy something far far better. You are paying for name but not getting the goods you'd normally associate with that name. It is a crime against humanity that they adorn the pieces of crap with the Marshall logo.
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#35
i will admit to owning a little practice MG, and while tonally it is just sterile lifeless and muddy, its handy to have a little POS to bring some places. it weighs 10lbs maybe instead of my smallest combo at 85lbs (yes, 85lbs according to manual), it has a little niche.

the thing is, its a practice amp, i don't need to hear my splawns roaring to mess around with my bassist or another guitarist at 4 am. it does what it does. it was just given to me in a rediculous trade, so its not like i dropped a dime.

but they do sound terrible, they are overpriced, they are not the most reliable, but they have their purpose. practicing.

the most imortiant thing is though is that there are better things for the buck.
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#36
I bet the SFO/San Jose GCs have something decent used too.

Where is riffhog? He probably knows of 5 used amps locally to the TS that would work well.
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#37
Jesus. Everyone is stuck on the mg title.

TS. Copypasta your info post into a new thread. This is just gonna be a mess.
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#38
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Quote by oneblackened
No question there. Mesa hasn't really made a bad amp, per se.

As far as why MG's are bad...
1. They sound bad
2. They're overpriced
3. They're unreliable
4. They're a scam to get people that don't know any better to buy it BECUZ ITZ A MARSHALL!!!!1!!


+1

also they're not particularly versatile either.

It's pretty simple, for the same price (or less) there are better-sounding amps available which are more versatile, and more reliable.
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#39
Go here then start a new thread.
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#40
Quote by Darth_jacob22
I noticed a lot of users on these UG threads bashing Marshall MG's. Being kind of n00b in the amp department, I was wondering what makes them earn this poor reputation?

I was even considering getting the MG stack as a graduation present next year, but now...


1. The distortion sucks.
2. Reliability issues.
3. Loads of feedback when you turn the volume past 12 o'clock.
4. You're just paying for a big name on a bad amp.
5. The higher end Marshall amps are better.

If you want a decent practice amp, buy a Roland Cube.
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