Man takes 1 hour to commit suicide while fire department watches and does nothing.

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This is either bullshit or cowardice. Haven't decided which one pisses me off more.
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The guy wanted to die. His life's his own. If he wants to die, let him.

Suicide's the most cowardly thing in the world of man - why should they bother trying to save someone who doesn't want saving?
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The guy wanted to die. His life's his own. If he wants to die, let him.

Suicide's the most cowardly thing in the world of man - why should they bother trying to save someone who doesn't want saving?

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You're the lowest common denominator. Go be stupid elsewhere.

You don't think that someone has the right to control the outcome of their own life? If he wanted to die, who are you to tell him he isn't allowed to?

There are plenty of people who want to live and desperately wish for help every day - spend your time on them instead of someone who's sick of living and doesn't appreciate it anymore.
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You don't think that someone has the right to control the outcome of their own life? If he wanted to die, who are you to tell him he isn't allowed to?

There are plenty of people who want to live and desperately wish for help every day - spend your time on them instead of someone who's sick of living and doesn't appreciate it anymore.

You're ignorant. Either inform yourself or don't speak about subjects you do not understand.
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You don't think that someone has the right to control the outcome of their own life? If he wanted to die, who are you to tell him he isn't allowed to?

There are plenty of people who want to live and desperately wish for help every day - spend your time on them instead of someone who's sick of living and doesn't appreciate it anymore.


Well we don't know what occurred in the many years before his suicide, he could have experienced trauma you couldn't even begin to understand...
#9
Water was to shallow for a boat? The water was up to his neck, were the in a cruise ship or something?
And you would think that at least one of the witnesses would have done something since they were not bound by the policy, instead of criticizing the fire department, when they also did nothing
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The guy wanted to die. His life's his own. If he wants to die, let him.

Suicide's the most cowardly thing in the world of man - why should they bother trying to save someone who doesn't want saving?


suicide isn't 'the most cowardly thing in the world of man', some people just want a way out, be it trauma or just realizing how shit this world is. although i'm very for people choosing whether they want to live or die, these firemen should have done something without a doubt. i'd rather get fired than have a dead man on my conscience.
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#13
^I completely agree with strat0blaster, he isn't the "lowest common denominator" at all. Why waste time helping those that don't want help? They're life is their own for them to decide what to do with, it's selfish of someone to tell another they can't do what they want with their life.
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Well we don't know what occurred in the many years before his suicide, he could have experienced trauma you couldn't even begin to understand...

I've been through a pretty good amount of trauma, and what I've found it comes down to is the person.

Honestly, if I wanted to die and couldn't live with what I'd been through, I would be furious if someone 'helped' me out of it.

Personal experiences aside, what someone does with their life is their own. I don't agree with suicide at all - however I don't think anyone has any right to force someone into doing something they don't want to do. If they guy is tired of life and chooses this, that's his right.

Again, I don't agree with it, but no person should have dominion over another - and situations like this always get me because there are people out there who've had plenty of traumatic experiences but still struggle and fight every day, and are getting zero help at all when they desperately want it. I feel like these are the people our hands should be extended to, not people who've already decided they're giving up and are done.
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Gotta love the humanity here.
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You're ignorant. Either inform yourself or don't speak about subjects you do not understand.


Dude... you are ignorant. Who says you are informed enough to make a judgment about the situation? At least the guy who posted had some form of logic in his post, you failed to give any argument whatsoever.
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I've been through a pretty good amount of trauma, and what I've found it comes down to is the person.

Honestly, if I wanted to die and couldn't live with what I'd been through, I would be furious if someone 'helped' me out of it.

Personal experiences aside, what someone does with their life is their own. I don't agree with suicide at all - however I don't think anyone has any right to force someone into doing something they don't want to do. If they guy is tired of life and chooses this, that's his right.

Again, I don't agree with it, but no person should have dominion over another - and situations like this always get me because there are people out there who've had plenty of traumatic experiences but still struggle and fight every day, and are getting zero help at all when they desperately want it. I feel like these are the people our hands should be extended to, not people who've already decided they're giving up and are done.


but some people are just acting on reflex to something terrible... they may be up and well again with some therapy. you wouldn't take a risk to try and help somebody back up?
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You're ignorant. Either inform yourself or don't speak about subjects you do not understand.

Reasons? I mean you're kind of just throwing a random statement out there and accusing me of it in a pretty baseless manner.
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#20
I will never understand how people can become this way. There's enough stupid shit done because of it being 'policy' or the 'rules' anyway but this is taking that stupidity to another level.
Maybe people really believe that if something is written on paper then it must be real and has to be obeyed.
#21
This is pretty hard to believe. Such a massive lapse in judgement and morality. Upsetting. They failed their jobs
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Dude... you are ignorant. Who says you are informed enough to make a judgment about the situation? At least the guy who posted had some form of logic in his post, you failed to give any argument whatsoever.

I understand enough about psychology to not make dumb statements.
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If he didn't want to be saved he shouldn't have made his suicide so public.
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You're ignorant. Either inform yourself or don't speak about subjects you do not understand.

Why?
If I were to kill myself I wouldn't want anyone to stop me

But I think that guy might have wanted to be stopped, if he didn't he wouldn't have done it in public and he would've chosen a faster way.
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but some people are just acting on reflex to something terrible... they may be up and well again with some therapy. you wouldn't take a risk to try and help somebody back up?

That's very true - I guess it's situational and judgement based.

Could I personally have just stood there and watched this? No, I'd have been in the water before someone gave me an actual reason why he was there, truthfully. Also, I imagine his intent would've been pretty clear had someone actually tried to save him - if he didn't want it, he would likely have struggled.

It's such a gray area topic, but I just feel like it's his decision. I don't condone it at all, but I also don't feel like I've got any right to tell someone they can't do what they will with their life.

As for therapy, it can do a lot of good or a lot of damage depending on the combination of patient and professional. There are so many different ways of approaching a person's mind that it's very difficult to find a match that actually works before becoming a medicated cell of "let's try this cocktail and see how it works," and spirals into a haze. My experiences with therapy were none pleasant, really. In the end I believe it comes down to your own resolve and determination - your own will. Some people just don't have that, and while I don't advocate or agree with suicide, it's really not my choice as far as someone else goes.
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I understand enough about psychology to not make dumb statements.


Not enough, because you have made 2 already in this thread. Oh and psychology is not a real science so your first argument in this thread is an invalid one.
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I understand enough about psychology to not make dumb statements.

And I've been through enough of the opposite side of that to know about things that aren't understood by reading them in textbooks.

If I were you, I would be careful with assumptions like the ones you're making here. Just saying.
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Why?
If I were to kill myself I wouldn't want anyone to stop me

But I think that guy might have wanted to be stopped, if he didn't he wouldn't have done it in public and he would've chosen a faster way.


You're not in the right mind to really make that judgement, though. If you want to kill yourself, then the likely reason is that you're thinking irrationally due to a mental illness.
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Why?
If I were to kill myself I wouldn't want anyone to stop me

But I think that guy might have wanted to be stopped, if he didn't he wouldn't have done it in public and he would've chosen a faster way.


you wouldn't want anybody to stop you, just like any other suicidal person, but who's to say you won't regret your actions after time if somebody stopped you? i would stop anybody i know from killing themselves no matter how bad the trauma, because life's worth giving a second shot imo. if they're not impressed after passed time and support, i'd gladly move out of their way.
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You're not in the right mind to really make that judgement, though. If you want to kill yourself, likely reason is that you're thinking irrationally due to a mental illness.


Or more rational than you tree huggers.


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#31
It sounds more like he wanted attention and help rather than carrying out suicide
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I don't get it...

I called you a hippie because of your views on this matter.
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And I've been through enough of the opposite side of that to know about things that aren't understood by reading them in textbooks.

I've experienced both serious suicidal thoughts and having a friend kill themselves. I'm not basing my disgust for you labeling all people who think of or attempt to commit suicide as cowards who don't deserve to be saved purely on a textbook.

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If I were you, I would be careful with assumptions like the ones you're making here. Just saying.

That's rich.
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You're not in the right mind to really make that judgement, though. If you want to kill yourself, then the likely reason is that you're thinking irrationally due to a mental illness.

That's a good basis, but not always true. Some people think about this for months before they actually do it - or work up the nerve to do it.

I just can't get my mind around upwards of a hundred people standing there and watching someone die without even making an attempt at doing something. That a volume of people such as that were there and that not even one person tried to move and pull him out, is pretty disgusting.

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I've experienced both serious suicidal thoughts and having a friend kill themselves. I'm not basing my disgust for you labeling all people who think of or attempt to commit suicide as cowards who don't deserve to be saved purely on a textbook.


That's rich.


Based on how you're acting here, I don't believe you.

Sorry if you don't agree with me - you don't have to, but you haven't given a single valid point since we've been discussing this, and since there actually people here having a real discussion about this, which I find interesting, I'm not going to bother you anymore and get this thread closed down.
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Some people think about this for months before they actually do it - or work up the nerve to do it.


That doesn't make it any less irrational.
#38
Good. If the guy wants to commit suicide that's his decision.
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#39
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Good. If the guy wants to commit suicide that's his decision.


So you wouldn't have helped him if you had a blindingly simple offer?
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I called you a hippie because of your views on this matter.


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