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#2
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Will we ever get out of the dark ages?


No.
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#3
I support this, they should just stick with the norm.
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#4
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I support this, they should just stick with the norm.

Fascist.

Also, your country isn't 'in the dark ages', it's massively screwed by the social contradictions caused by the export of Western capital.
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I support this, they should just stick with the norm.

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#6
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Fascist.



Also, your country isn't 'in the dark ages', it's massively screwed by the social contradictions caused by the export of Western capital.

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#7
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Fascist.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Fascist.

Also, your country isn't 'in the dark ages', it's massively screwed by the social contradictions caused by the export of Western capital.



Here we go....

Had you never stopped to think what they would be like if the evil western capital hadnt found its way into their country?

Things would probably be far far far worse.


OTT: that is a bit daft. But if they are good at cross dressing, it shouldn't be a problem for them.

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#10
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Here we go....

Had you never stopped to think what they would be like if the evil western capital hadnt found its way into their country?

Things would probably be far far far worse.

You can't possibly support that with any kind of historical evidence other than sheer blind faith that giving large amounts of money to a small elite determined to hold onto their power, arming them to the teeth, and turning a blind eye whenever huge abuses of human rights do happen, somehow creates a better society for the majority.

This kind of oppression is a direct result of Western companies and governments creating their own little play-worlds in the desert to line their own pockets.
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#12
This is, well, stupid.

It doesn't surprise me that it is in Dubai, but still. Reminds me slightly of the story of the kid that got abducted, raped repeatedly by a man who was HIV-positive, then the man got acquitted because "Seeing as homosexuality is said not to exist in the Qua'ran, it obviously didn't happen", or something to that effect.

To answer your question about the dark ages? No. Not socially at least.
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#13
well that's ridiculous. Girls dressing in blokes' clothes isn't even really crossdressing - it's perfectly normal for a girl to wear jeans and a T shirt.
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You can't even drink alcohol in Dubai...

Who told you that?

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It doesn't surprise me that it is in Dubai, but still. Reminds me slightly of the story of the kid that got abducted, raped repeatedly by a man who was HIV-positive, then the man got acquitted because "Seeing as homosexuality is said not to exist in the Qua'ran, it obviously didn't happen", or something to that effect.

What the...?
Then how the hell did they think the kid got raped?

I never heard of this before, but sounds really messed up
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You can't possibly support that with any kind of historical evidence other than sheer blind faith that giving large amounts of money to a small elite determined to hold onto their power, arming them to the teeth, and turning a blind eye whenever huge abuses of human rights do happen, somehow creates a better society for the majority.

This kind of oppression is a direct result of Western companies and governments creating their own little play-worlds in the desert to line their own pockets.

No it doesn't help make a better society for the majority. Because I have money it helps create a better one for me. And that is perfectly fine.
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#17
Socialist dude, your getting trolled hard by the Israeli lol

OT: this story is ridiculous, and no, this sort of thing will probably no go away any time soon :/
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#18
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No it doesn't help make a better society for the majority. Because I have money it helps create a better one for me. And that is perfectly fine.

Yeah, not really when wealth gaps are as vast as they are in Dubai.
#19
Good, it's about time we removed these social terrorists that scourge the land of Dubai. Just think about how much damage they've done. This law will help everything, like most laws that interfere with civilian's personal lives and choices to single out a small minority of people.
#20
Men likening themselves to women and women to men, whether in clothing or the way they talk, walk or in their demeanour and appearance, is despised by any person whose nature has not been corrupted," a Friday sermon warned last year.


Fuck that.

In the ass.
The UAE and that part of the East just seemed to have hit a wall and started regressing in the last few years. I mean, I can't argue cultural laws but....fuck them.
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You can't possibly support that with any kind of historical evidence other than sheer blind faith that giving large amounts of money to a small elite determined to hold onto their power, arming them to the teeth, and turning a blind eye whenever huge abuses of human rights do happen, somehow creates a better society for the majority.

This kind of oppression is a direct result of Western companies and governments creating their own little play-worlds in the desert to line their own pockets.



Neither can you? Though I would imagine the vast wealth that even the small majority posses, still has benefits for the rest of the country. Though I agree, it has caused a bizarre collision of modern western ideals and traditional laws and makes for a very odd social situation, I think it is incredibly naive to blame all the issues on purely western influence. But hey, I had to write an exam question on why it was the desire to own a VHS player was a bigger cause for the collapse of the Berlin Wall than the East Germans hate of communism... SO hey, maybe the drive for a more "western" quality of life is far more powerful and influential than your willing to admit to.

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#23
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You can't possibly support that with any kind of historical evidence other than sheer blind faith that giving large amounts of money to a small elite determined to hold onto their power, arming them to the teeth, and turning a blind eye whenever huge abuses of human rights do happen, somehow creates a better society for the majority.

This kind of oppression is a direct result of Western companies and governments creating their own little play-worlds in the desert to line their own pockets.


While I'm against global homogenization as a concept and all the shady stuff the western government does get up to saying that this is the Westeners fault is a bit asinine.

These are the sort of countries where they have oppressive laws against people and women especially, and this news report shows it. You're saying that if we had no influence over there it wouldn't be worse which seems very naive.

I know the US has a massive problem with going an invading countries and turning them into "the US with a desert theme", but to say that getting rid of draconian laws such as the ones in the news report is a bad thing, or something that the western world shouldnt be trying to get rid of just seems stupid to me.

As to why you think that this kind of oppression is the westeners fault completely dumbfounds me, we're not the ones in charge, and this sort of thing (and much much worse) has been going on loooong before we started having any influence over there.

I know you're going to say "but this is their culture, we have no right to attempt to change it", but to be honest, except for the people making the laws and the "right wing" people in these countries, nobody wants them and people are scared and have less rights than they should as human beings, people should not have to live in the conditions Sharia (spelling?) law creates. It's inhuman, bigoted and oppressive.
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#24
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Fascist.

Also, your country isn't 'in the dark ages', it's massively screwed by the social contradictions caused by the export of Western capital.


Um no. Maybe that their country is stuck in a Religious mentality similar to thir neighbour Saudi Arabia, the most orthodox of all Muslim states?
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Fuck that.

In the ass.
The UAE and that part of the East just seemed to have hit a wall and started regressing in the last few years. I mean, I can't argue cultural laws but....fuck them.

Agreed

Look, I don't care if Dubai starts arresting chicks in cargo pants, or if they make it mandatory to worship sheikh, force men to wear a mustache or throw tourists in jail over a kiss.
It's their country, and their rules...BUT they shouldn't boast about it being an open society and the best country to live in, with the best beaches in the world etc because then they're not only lying, but committing fraud in my opinion.
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Um no. Maybe that their country is stuck in a Religious mentality similar to thir neighbour Saudi Arabia, the most orthodox of all Muslim states?

Which is also swimming in American oil dollars and arms.

My point is that Western investment gives expression underlying religious/tribal/cultural tensions in these areas - when a particular class/tribe is given huge amounts of material wealth and power by Western investment dollars (be it in oil, financial services, as a bulwark against communism or 'terror', whatever) the result is always the oppression of the subordinate classes in society, be it workers, other tribal groups, etc. It happened in Iraq with Saddam Hussein (who the Americans propped up for years and years), who gassed thousands upon thousands of Kurds in the north, it's happened with Afghanistan with the Taleban (who the Americans armed to fight the Russians in the late 80s), it's happening now in Saudia Arabia (whose government and royal family are hugely subsidised by Western tax dollars and arms). I could go on - Ben Ali of Egypt, Gaddafi of Libya... all of these dictators and authoritarian governments have been funded and encouraged by Western governments, which doubtless benefits Western interests - but at the cost of the oppression of their own people.
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#27
You keep saying that, but American dollars dont lead to the enforcement of traditional cultural laws.

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#28
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Agreed

Look, I don't care if Dubai starts arresting chicks in cargo pants, or if they make it mandatory to worship sheikh, force men to wear a mustache or throw tourists in jail over a kiss.
It's their country, and their rules...BUT they shouldn't boast about it being an open society and the best country to live in, with the best beaches in the world etc because then they're not only lying, but committing fraud in my opinion.


i don't think anyone thinks Dubai is the best country to live in, actually i don't think anyone thinks that a middle east country is the best to live in

just sayin
#29
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Which is also swimming in American oil dollars and arms.


America Shmerica, don't forget that that Saudi Arabia, Iraq and many of the surrounding countries are where Islam was born. Most (not all, by the way) take their Islam VERY serious. You can blame everything of "Those freakin' Capitalist Pigs" but the problem here lies is severe Religious intolerance to change.
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Quote by Kumanji
Which is also swimming in American oil dollars and arms.


That doesn't cause the enforcement of their cultural laws though does it? This is part of their centuries old ideals, not something the "evil westeners" have bought in. And just because it's centuries old, that doesn't make it right.
#31
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i don't think anyone thinks Dubai is the best country to live in, actually i don't think anyone thinks that a middle east country is the best to live in

just sayin

Well it seems as though that's how they advertise the country, I'm not talking about people outside the country...
..I'm talking about the government here.

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America Shmerica, don't forget that that Saudi Arabia, Iraq and many of the surrounding countries are where Islam was born. Most (not all, by the way) take their Islam VERY serious. You can blame everything of "Those freakin' Capitalist Pigs" but the problem here lies is severe Religious intolerance to change.

Actually it was born in Palestine, like most monotheistic religions I guess.

But you're right about the rest, Kumanji you can't blame it all on western capitalists who're trying to make a few bucks, the strict religious doctrines of the country also aid in these negative matters...a lot more than capitalism
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America Shmerica, don't forget that that Saudi Arabia, Iraq and many of the surrounding countries are where Islam was born. Most (not all, by the way) take their Islam VERY serious. You can blame everything of "Those freakin' Capitalist Pigs" but the problem here lies is severe Religious intolerance to change.

I woudn't matter how serious they were about religion if they weren't given hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars pear year by Western governments and businesses, which they then spend on arms and repressive state apparatus. Western money enables these governments to carry out their long-standing religious desires.

It's like giving a gun to an angry weedy kid and saying 'well, it's not MY fault he shot up the school, he was already angry!'.
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#33
This is about Dubai and it's silly cultural law type things, not a discussion on the ins and outs of socialism and capitalism. So, moving on from that.

Yes, it is ridiculous, Dubai is a nice place to visit, but it is incredibly superficial, and you only need to scratch the surface slightly to see the grime below. Agreed, the wealth gap is huge, but, well, you can't change that, and they don't want to change it.

Doesn't stop me from going to Al Karama when I'm there and buying end of the line brand name clothing though. But even that has gotten a bit more expensive. At least haggling is alive and well.
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I woudn't matter how serious they were about religion if they weren't given hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars pear year by Western governments and businesses, which they then spend on arms and repressive state apparatus. Western money enables these governments to carry out their long-standing religious desires.

It's like giving a gun to an angry weedy kid and saying 'well, it's not MY fault he shot up the school, he was already angry!'.





So if they were a self funded oppression you would be cool with that?

whatever, I know your a troll, but seriously?

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#35
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So if they were a self funded oppression you would be cool with that?

whatever, I know your a troll, but seriously?

Of course I wouldn't be; I'm against all oppression of any people - but we have to be very clear, historically speaking, how the current situation in the Middle-East has developed.
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Says UGs communist, I forgot Lenin was such a liberal guy.

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#37
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Says UGs communist, I forgot Lenin was such a liberal guy.

Sigh. That's such an ignorant, Republican-esque argument that it's not even funny any more.

Shall we talk about Dubai?
#38
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I woudn't matter how serious they were about religion if they weren't given hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars pear year by Western governments and businesses, which they then spend on arms and repressive state apparatus. Western money enables these governments to carry out their long-standing religious desires.

It's like giving a gun to an angry weedy kid and saying 'well, it's not MY fault he shot up the school, he was already angry!'.


Hang on, I think we're moving away from the point here...
Though I do agree with some of the statement, look at Egypt. One of the architects of 9/11 came from Egypt and his reasoning for the attacks was due to US investment in the dictatorship at the time, not just in Egypt, but much of the ME.

Originaly, much Islamic extremism wasn't so much about religion, but about US involvment in dictatorships. It then evolded (or should that be DEvolved) into the extremism we see today.
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#39
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Sigh. That's such an ignorant, Republican-esque argument that it's not even funny any more.





Its still more fun than..



hurr Derr Money is t3h most evil thing evar!!!!



BTW the way I am a history student mainly studying Russia so I think I am allowed to have an opinion in the irony in your being communist but against oppression of populations.

But everybody only has good intentions right?

Shall we talk about Dubai?


I did, I said it was daft and how I failed to see how American money caused this issue. Though I did agree it does lead to the unfortunate collision of cultures, slightly more rounded argument that your own

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#40
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