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#1
it has come to my attention that not many people know very much about Native Americans.

i searched and found a couple threads pertaining to the subject and i would like to make it clear that this is a thread where you can ask questions about modern Native American lifestyle or any questions about Native history.

i am 75% Native, my mother is a full blood Ho-Chunk from the Winnebago Tribe of Nebraska and my father is half Sioux half white from the Cheyenne River Sioux tribe.
i currently reside on the Winnebago Reservation located in Nebraska and have lived here my whole life.

so Pit i ask you what do you know about Native Americans (besides what you learned on Thanksgiving lol)?

i will answer your questions as best i can and hopefully the few Natives that are members will help me out with this....also no question is stupid and you can feel free to ask whatever you want pertaining to the subject at hand.
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right. it is supposed to increase income on Native Reservations as supposedly we are our own "sovereign" nation located within the U.S.
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Edit: I'm not sure how it's worded, but the reservations are only granted partial sovereignty.

I have a little Apache blood, but I'm not sure how much and I don't conisder myself to be a Native American (or whatever the proper term is; technically anyone born in the U.S. is a native American). Basically, I'm one of those white people with "a little Native American".

I don't actaully know much. I driven through reservations, I'm aware of the casinos (I've at least walked into one), and I've done some reading on them.
#7
I knew someone in high school who was Native American and Indian (as in India). In his college admissions letters, he opened with "I am Indian, feather and dots."

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#8
Is 'Native American' a politicaly correct term to use?

I've heard that many of the indigenous peoples of the Americas don't like it very much because it's a name given to them by the US Government.
What are your views on this?
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IMHO it ain't cool when some bastards come and rape your land and kill your people.
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I have a little Apache blood, but I'm not sure how much and I don't conisder myself to be a Native American (or whatever the proper term is; technically anyone born in the U.S. is a native American). Basically, I'm one of those white people with "a little Native American".

I don't actaully know much. I driven through reservations, I'm aware of the casinos (I've at least walked into one), and I've done some reading on them.



there really is no set term for our race although i like to use Native American because i am not "indian"
we do nor did we ever reside in India for any large period of time.

also i use it because i dont want people to confuse me with an actual Indian from India


IMHO it ain't cool when some bastards come and rape your land and kill your people



agreed.
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#12
^That's why I don't like refering to "Native Americans" as "Indians".

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Is 'Native American' a politicaly correct term to use?

I've heard that many of the indigenous peoples of the Americas don't like it very much because it's a name given to them by the US Government.
What are your views on this?


Both Native American and Indian are confusing terms. It would be best to name them by their actual tribe, but when it comes to grouping them all for general demographics, I have no idea.

Edit: I guess "Indigenous American" could work.
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#13
lots of Natives use either American Native or American Indian.

but like i said there is really no set term


Does it annoy you when white people claim to be part Native American because they're "1/64th Cherokee" or whatever


actually yes it does although i realize that there arent many full bloods left. not a one in my generation where i live. im sure that these people do have Native Blood but unless you are enrolled in a Tribe it doesnt make a difference IMO

its always "my great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess" which gets old fast.
it seems nobody wants to claim a male Native ancestor because of the streotype that they tend to be violent drunks or something like that.


actually Cherokees were one of the first tribes to be assimilated so i can see how some modern whites would still carry that line

i believe they called the Cherokee the "civilized tribe" because they were assimilated so soon
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#14
Does it annoy you when white people claim to be part Native American because they're "1/64th Cherokee" or whatever.
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lots of Natives use either American Native or American Indian.

but like i said there is really no set term


Isn't that because native Americans generaly have no set term for the whole of America as a country but instead have lots of different terms for all the seperate tribal territories?

It's been argued that the term "Abya Yala", which means "land in its full maturity", (by the Panamanian Kuna people) and has been used to refer to the American continent since before the Columbus arrival, should be used as a collective term for the indiginous people of the Americas.

But is that really an improvement? After all, to a North American Native, surely a Panamanian culture is practicaly just as foreign as European culture?
#17
native americans are all almost entirely nomadic. this can be seen through their westward migrations during the 1800s. they all heard about the gold finds out in california and quickly began packing up their belongings to head out there to try to strike it rich.
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Edit: I'm not sure how it's worded, but the reservations are only granted partial sovereignty.

I have a little Apache blood, but I'm not sure how much and I don't conisder myself to be a Native American (or whatever the proper term is; technically anyone born in the U.S. is a native American). Basically, I'm one of those white people with "a little Native American".

I don't actaully know much. I driven through reservations, I'm aware of the casinos (I've at least walked into one), and I've done some reading on them.



right. partial sovereignty under the federal government or something similar which is why if some big crminal act goes down on the Rez(murder, large drug bust etc.) the Feds step in to "clear the air"


Isn't that because native Americans generaly have no set term for the whole of America as a country but instead have lots of different terms for all the seperate tribal territories?



true. Natives really had no concept of ownership of land so they had no term for America as a whole although certain "territories" "belonged" to certain tribes

its something similar to "these people often frequent this area" does that make sense?
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actually yes it does although i realize that there arent many full bloods left. not a one in my generation where i live. im sure that these people do have Native Blood but unless you are enrolled in a Tribe it doesnt make a difference IMO

its always "my great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess" which gets old fast.
it seems nobody wants to claim a male Native ancestor because of the streotype that they tend to be violent drunks or something like that.



If I'm not mistaken, my great great grandmother was a Native that lived on a reservation and everything (but I don't know for sure, nobody in my family actually gives a **** about their ancestry).

Is it still offensive if I don't actaully refer to myself as a Native American?
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Edit: I guess "Indigenous American" could work.

I don't think it can, not strictly speaking anyway.
Imagine your country forcably was taken over by a foreign force who renamed it after some famous historical guy from their own culture, lets say for the sake of argument that it was called 'Henryca', would you refer to yourself as an Indigenous Henrycan?
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I don't think it can, not strictly speaking anyway.
Imagine your country forcably was taken over by a foreign force who renamed it after some famous historical guy from their own culture, lets say for the sake of argument that it was called 'Henryca', would you refer to yourself as an Indigenous Henrycan?



Who cares? Are we really having a debate on what the proper name to call native americans?
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^lol yeah, and I'm the one foolish enough to go along with it.

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I don't think it can, not strictly speaking anyway.
Imagine your country forcably was taken over by a foreign force who renamed it after some famous historical guy from their own culture, lets say for the sake of argument that it was called 'Henryca', would you refer to yourself as an Indigenous Henrycan?


Good point, but that's not what indigenous actaully means.

Adjective: Originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native: "the indigenous peoples of Siberia".

That's just what came up on Google, but I'm sure that's close to the accepted defintion of indigenous.
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If I'm not mistaken, my great great grandmother was a Native that lived on a reservation and everything (but I don't know for sure, nobody in my family actually gives a **** about their ancestry).

Is it still offensive if I don't actaully refer to myself as a Native American?



no its not offensive of you DONT refer to yourself as Native and its not really offensive if you do. it just gets annoying. everytime i mention i am native SOMEONE has to mention their "Cherokee princess grandma"

what bothers me is that there were no "princesses" and the fact that they feel like they are a part of our society/culture just because of their bloodline when they know nothing about our lifestyle/history/culture
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Who cares? Are we really having a debate on what the proper name to call native americans?


No, we're having a discussion in an effort to find out what the proper name to call native Americans is, or even if one exists. You don't have to join in with this particular topic of conversation if you don't want to y'know.
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#25
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no its not offensive of you DONT refer to yourself as Native and its not really offensive if you do. it just gets annoying. everytime i mention i am native SOMEONE has to mention their "Cherokee princess grandma"

what bothers me is that there were no "princesses" and the fact that they feel like they are a part of our society/culture just because of their bloodline when they know nothing about our lifestyle/history/culture


I completely understand this. It's almost like people thinking "Mexican" is a skin color, or how people confuse ethnicity with nationality.

Edit: For some reson I want to elaborate on this more. People in America tend to not understand what race actaully is. I've had people say "I'm not white, I'm not French" or soething stupid like that (especially stupid becasue France is mostly white). The way I see it is you can be ethnically German (like myself), but you're not actaully a German unless you are a German citizen and part of German society. This is why I think "Mexicans" in America are ethnically Mexican, but not actual Mexicans.

I'm also not discrimintaing against Mexicans before somebody says it, I just used them as an example becuse "Mexican" is such a misused term in the U.S.
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^lol yeah, and I'm the one foolish enough to go along with it.


Good point, but that's not what indigenous actaully means.

Adjective: Originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native: "the indigenous peoples of Siberia".

That's just what came up on Google, but I'm sure that's close to the accepted defintion of indigenous.


I agree with the 'indiginous' part, but I'm just not sure about the 'American' part, which is why I was asking.
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Who cares? Are we really having a debate on what the proper name to call native americans?



Exactly. as a native i dont really care what you call us as long as we get proper recognition. i think the thing to debate about is whether the genocide was really worth a mcdonalds on every corner.

i look around and all i see is pavement and the white mans influence on our generation of young natives as well as the degradation of our race.

look guys i gotta get some sleep so keep posting and i will try to get to any questions that are left unanswered tomorrow. (not implying i have all the answers but i just need some sleep.)

also if there are any other natives on the site please help these poor white folk out (lol just kidding)
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what bothers me is that there were no "princesses" and the fact that they feel like they are a part of our society/culture just because of their bloodline when they know nothing about our lifestyle/history/culture

Kinda like they're using your culture as a fashion accessory? Yeah, I can see how that would be annoying.
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#29
we could call them indigenous residents of the northern continent on the western hemisphere.
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Quote by slipknot5678
I completely understand this. It's almost like people thinking "Mexican" is a skin color, or how people confuse ethnicity with nationality.

Edit: For some reson I want to elaborate on this more. People in America tend to not understand what race actaully is. I've had people say "I'm not white, I'm not French" or soething stupid like that (especially stupid becasue France is mostly white). The way I see it is you can be ethnically German (like myself), but you're not actaully a German unless you are a German citizen and part of German society. This is why I think "Mexicans" in America are ethnically Mexican, but not actual Mexicans.

I'm also not discrimintaing against Mexicans before somebody says it, I just used them as an example becuse "Mexican" is such a misused term in the U.S.



i feel you here bro. it has something to do with identifying yourself amongst a "race" while remaining individual. also its something about saying you are native without actually knowing what it means to be native


Edit: i put race in quotations because i dont really believe/agree in/with that term. for a species to be separated into subclasses or "races" it has to have a certain amount of genetic dissimilarity between the groups which humans lack. it is more about culture than anything IMO


we could call them indigenous residents of the northern continent on the western hemisphere.


Doubledit: lol i agree with this although it seems kinda lengthy. most tribes name for themselves means "the original people" or "the first people". for instance the tribe i belong to is called the Hocak (pronounced Ho-chunk) which means "first people". although i think its ridiculous that most if not all tribes would call themselves that.

lots of Native Creation Stories deal with the tribe forming and being created here in North America which is why most Natives disagree with the whole Bering Strait idea.

(also BTW im not trying to speak for all Native Americans here in this thread. just trying to aid in other peoples ignorance of the North American Tribes)
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LMAO at blackflag. exactly. i do enjoy painting with all the colors of the wind (much like bob ross. although i dont think he was native he sure could paint)

let me ask you

have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon?

Edit: ok im going to sleep guys. again i will pick up any unanswered questions after a few hours of rest
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#34
Hey TS I am a native Australian.

Do your people have the same problems as us?
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#36
There's so much ignorance in this thread. I suppose the purpose of it is to rectify that problem, but it seems like the only people answering questions are the ones who don't know anything.

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Hey TS I am a native Australian.

Do your people have the same problems as us?

I would assume so.
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Hey TS I am a native Australian.

Do your people have the same problems as us?


Me too, well, kind of (my great-grandfather was a Torres Strait Islander, but I've always identified as Indian and Fijian first because they were the cultures I was raised in).

Anyway, I have a question here - which Native American tribes use peyote? I know not all do, but I'd like to know which ones use it the most.
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Anyway, I have a question here - which Native American tribes use peyote? I know not all do, but I'd like to know which ones use it the most.


Look up 'Native American Church'.