#1
picked up a used blackface fender.

the serial number says it's made in 1964, but i think it's actually a 1965. i haven't done a lot of research beyond plugging into it. that told me everything i wanted to know about it.

used for $325, nos preamp and rectifier tube, weber alnico speaker.

it has been mod'd. there is a speaker jack added on the back a long time ago. i need to change that to a standard 1/4" jack.

REVIEW:

great sounding amp. the dials seem to do what they are labeled for. treble adds that, bass adds that, and volume adds a lot of that. there isn't a bad setting, everything is just different when you mess with the pots. it covers a lot of ground. the amp has a lot more lows than i expected. i love 6v6s.

and it has orgies with pedals. generally i use a little reverb on cleans and an od or two for crunch. i have been eyeballing the TC Elec delay/loop pedal for leads. i could use a working delay. everything i've plugged into is has sounded good so far.

also, it's an amp that likes buckers and single coils.




i picked up some new tubes for it.



purple tubes sound the best.



Anyway, the purpose of this thread is to let others know that great bedroom friendly amps exist at affordable prices. and they don't just sound great cranked.

Thanks for reading!
#3
Quote by Mark G
Awesome find Greg! The purple t00b looks very bl00s.

absolutely.

does that stuff real well.

i have to ebay off the yellow, blue and white ones.

unless anyone wants them and PMs me.

$5 apiece, red and purple not for sale...
#6
Quote by greeny23
does the tube colour thing really change the tone?


I've always wanted a purple t00b on my blackface fender. The red one just doesn't have enough low end.

Oh, and HNAD. Champs really are well loved little amps.
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#7
Jealous. Used to have a silverface Vibro Champ. Stupidly sold it.
I am a fake mountain.
#8
**** you, man. Seriously, **** you.

I'm going to watch porn on my 55 inch TV and imagine that it's me doing yr mother.
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#11
pm'ed gregs

also, sweet amp
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#12
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**** you, man. Seriously, **** you.

I'm going to watch porn on my 55 inch TV and imagine that it's me doing yr mother.


Sounds like someone needed more hugs as a child.
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#13
Thanks everyone.

it's clean, plays great, it's a great low volume amp but don't be fooled. even the little alnico speaker with 5 tube watts behind it has some serious punch/size going on.

but cleans at low volume? this is the answer.

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truly.
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#14
nice
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#15
Very nice, but it has too many knobs.

JJ 6V6s are the go in those if you cant find affordable Telefunken, Amperex or Brimar. Even back to back against a Brimar I've found that JJ 6V6's can hold their own. I feel pretty confident in saying that the 6V6 is the best thing JJ make.
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#16
thanks dave. like my sig?



Quote by Cathbard
Very nice, but it has too many knobs.

JJ 6V6s are the go in those if you cant find affordable Telefunken, Amperex or Brimar. Even back to back against a Brimar I've found that JJ 6V6's can hold their own. I feel pretty confident in saying that the 6V6 is the best thing JJ make.

the el84s get a lot of love too for jjs. but i agree, their 6v6s are great. i used them in the 5e3 clone and tweaker with good results in both amps.

i found the rca 6v6s from min i think for some reason? but when i had the 5e3 i was sniping every decent 12at and 12ay i could get my hands on cheap. i still have those brimars, rcas, and a bunch i don't remember getting honestly.

i still have to ebay off that pair of rca 6L6s dan sent me from his bassman. i used them in the tweaker and they're fine. they sound nice. i promised him i'd do that for him so i should get off my ass. i want to send him a couple decent tubes i have dupes of.

too many knobs, pfft, i just dime all three if want teh toanz.

edit: pair of uos rca 6l6's cheap, PM me.
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#17
Quote by gregs1020
i want to send him a couple decent tubes i have dupes of.



I've wanted a SF champ for a while now... But a BF, that's gotta sound great. Does it do 'fender cleans?'
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#18
Nice amp Greg. Almost picked one of these up a few months back. Sweet little amps.

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#19
Quote by gregs1020
thanks dave. like my sig?





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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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Et tu, br00tz?
#20
Quote by tubetime86


I've wanted a SF champ for a while now... But a BF, that's gotta sound great. Does it do 'fender cleans?'

i had a silver faced champ. honestly i don't think there is much of a difference. both amps sounded great for my uses. i gave the sf to my cousin, i owed him one.

thanks dice!

these are a lot of fun. it took me a while, you don't realize how cheap some quality older gear can be until you start scanning the UG, tpg and hc classifieds.

there are a few vibro champs out there too.

i will say though that i'm lucky to have a good tech that takes care of my stuff cheap. if i didn't have that, these types purchases are riskier.
#22
Nice amp, but does it get that sweet Dimebag tone?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#24
Quote by SimplyBen
Sounds like someone needed more hugs as a child.


I should have put the smiley face at the end. Gregs knows I'm not serious.

Seriously, HNAD.
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#26
pissed man, so pissed.

You lured me in with promises of cheap fender blackface, and i realise its a blackface champ, which sell for £1000000 in the UK.

THough, i think the silverfaces are the exact same amp when it comes to the champs. Not sure.

How bigs the speaker in it?
#28
Yeah, but can it do Fender cleans at foyer volumes?? How about bonus room volumes?


Congrats
#29
Quote by CECamps
Yeah, but can it do Fender cleans at foyer volumes?? How about bonus room volumes?

as long as it's a tile foyer.


thanks everyone. i've heard the same thing that he sf and bf champs were the same, given that cbs was too lazy to re-do the circuit. (or some shit). honestly i can't say this sounds any better than the 1976 or w/e my sf was. that amp sounded great too.

maybe one of our amp gurus could verify this?

beck its a 6" speaker. though i could easily build a baffle for a 8" if desired.

for what it is, it sounds great and is really loud (well loud enough to piss off someone in the same room) on 3 with my new guitar.


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Great score Gregsy, these are a lot of fun. Actually, I'm probably gonna buy one now.

it makes all your pedals sound better.
not kidding.
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#32
Quote by Duv
I heard the difference was in the speaker that they used on the SFs. Obviously an easy thing to change but there you go...

it would make sense. going a little cheaper on the speaker (rhyme time!) would make the amp more profitable. which is what cbs was after initially.

and it's what you replace first in a budget tube combo these days.

but is a schematic guru could verify that, it would be nice.
#33
Yes, the BF and the SF Champs have the same schematic.

Both had an Oxford 8EV 8" speaker.
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#34
How's the Weber Alnico speaker? I would love to get one to replace the POS Yamaha one in my Ceriatone Vibro Champ; though they are a pain in the ass to get in the UK at reasonable prices it seems.

Any other recommendations maybe? I quite like the Jensen speaker in my Deluxe Reverb and was considering something like that. Also considering maybe moving down from a 12" speaker to an 8 or 10 and make the thing smaller and change the tone.
#35
Quote by Cathbard
Yes, the BF and the SF Champs have the same schematic.

Both had an Oxford 8EV 8" speaker.

i knew you'd come through.

i thought that all along, i've seen it stated before but i trust you.

Quote by Duv
How's the Weber Alnico speaker? I would love to get one to replace the POS Yamaha one in my Ceriatone Vibro Champ; though they are a pain in the ass to get in the UK at reasonable prices it seems.

Any other recommendations maybe? I quite like the Jensen speaker in my Deluxe Reverb and was considering something like that. Also considering maybe moving down from a 12" speaker to an 8 or 10 and make the thing smaller and change the tone.

the weber is great. it's very full sounding and i don't find myself trying to "get rid" of anything. the treb doesn't get too shrill or anything, even with a LP and the bass doesn't mudd up with a neck pup. i have no complaints.

a 10" speaker i've used in fenders that i like a lot is the jensen C10Q. here they are $25 used apiece and worth every penny at that price. even new at $47 they are a pretty good deal.
#36
IMO fender champs are some of the best and most overlooked fender amps. they are SWEET for the price.

my friend has 2 25 watters. both are slightly different models but they sound so darn good. they generally have one preamp tube and one 6v6 or 6l6 i dunno. all i know its an amapzing sounding clean and classic rock amp. great lows, great organic natural grown. great reverb. in every way beats the hot rod series.

this one howver seems different. a LOT older. and my friends 2 amps have 2 channels and full EQ for each channel with master, channel volumes and reverb.