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#1
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-inmates-40-years-solitary-must-end-amnesty-000047090.html
humane or inhumane? i'm for the latter.
yahoo's comments section is full of people that think they should be locked in a cell for 23 hours a day for 40 years+ with virtually no human contact.
no matter what crime i've committed, i would never expect to be treated that harshly. in fact, imprisoning someone like that is torture of the worst kind and does not equate to the crime they committed, which is just death, of which i'm sure the equal is the death penalty.
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#2
prevents more idiots from murdering prison guards.
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#3
If you think that's harsh, a fair whack of religions go along with the idea that a lifetime of sin can somehow equate to an eternity of punishment.
#4
they shouldnt have commited a crime. stop feeling bad for them, they broke the law.
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they shouldnt have commited a crime. stop feeling bad for them, they broke the law.


40 years ago? A little extreme maybe?

Besides laws are mean't to be broken, it's the getting caught part that's the bummer
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40 years ago? A little extreme maybe?

Besides laws are mean't to be broken, it's the getting caught part that's the bummer


Laws arent meant to be broken, they are meant to be followed.
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#7
+1 to the first three responses
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they shouldnt have commited a crime. stop feeling bad for them, they broke the law.


It doesn't work that way dipshit. EVERYONE gets human rights or no one gets them. You judge a society on how they treat those who are the "most despicable" or whatever you want to call it.

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#9
yo dawg i herd you like killin people so i put a prison in yo prison so you can murder while you murder
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#10
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they shouldnt have commited a crime. stop feeling bad for them, they broke the law.

so torturing them is a-ok?
#11
bet you wouldn't think that if you were related to the guy the killed
#12
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they shouldnt have commited a crime. stop feeling bad for them, they broke the law.

imagine being locked in a dark room, 23 hours of the day for a month without talking to anyone and with no games/tv etc. how do you think you'd cope?
no matter what you've done, we can't cope like that as human beings but we're able to cope with death as we all go through it. what they did was wrong but what they're getting is far worse.
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#13
I find that a bit harsh punishment but whats the point of letting them go now, wtf are they gonna do? They don´t know shit about this time, still thinking that Creedence are hot-shit (even tho they still are) and that rap and electro music is some kind of new and weird shit. They don´t know about alot stuff and alot people they knew then are either dead or not so close anymore since they didnt see each other for 40 years. Releasing them is ofcourse always better since i think they got more punishment then neccesary, but they almost have to start over again when in their 60s. That sucks.
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#14
In case anyone actually thinks solitary isn't torture: here's some enlightenting information

People kept in solitary for even a few years can go completely insane. I can't imagine how awful 40 years must be.

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#15
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bet you wouldn't think that if you were related to the guy the killed


His widow has participated in a number of PR campaigns demanding that the men be released.

EDIT: Since some of you clearly have no idea who these two men are, I suggest you read the wiki page about them. You might learn something . Like that there was a third man whose conviction was overturned 29 years after the fact.

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#16
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imagine being locked in a dark room, 23 hours of the day for a month without talking to anyone and with no games/tv etc. how do you think you'd cope?
no matter what you've done, we can't cope like that as human beings but we're able to cope with death as we all go through it. what they did was wrong but what they're getting is far worse.


what they're getting is far worse than dying at the age of 23? they took the life of a human being. their rights as a human being lost credibility as soon as they stabbed the guard.
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#17
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bet you wouldn't think that if you were related to the guy the killed

it's not upto the guy they killed's family. that's the point of justice; it's not based on revenge.
if you were to base punishments on revenge, the punishment would usually be disproportionate to the crime because peoples emotions get in the way too much - particularly if you know the person.
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#19
mfw when these kids grow up and realize trolling and approving the condemning of a man's life are different.
#20
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No surprise that this is in the US. Fucking disgusting.

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#21
The pair are suing the Louisiana authorities claiming that their prolonged isolation is "cruel and unusual punishment" and so violates the US constitution.


I don't understand, how have they managed to start a legal case to sue the authorities from solitary confinement?
#22
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#23
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I don't understand, how have they managed to start a legal case to sue the authorities from solitary confinement?


There were three of them. One got his conviction overturned, and has been running a pretty substantial campaign to bring the plight of the other two to the world's attention.

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#24
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what they're getting is far worse than dying at the age of 23? they took the life of a human being. their rights as a human being lost credibility as soon as they stabbed the guard.

I'd say yes what they are getting is worse than dying at 23, but that's besides the point.

Why does committing a crime invalidate your humanity? Also do you know anything at all of the circumstances around the murder?

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There were three of them. One got his conviction overturned, and has been running a pretty substantial campaign to bring the plight of the other two to the world's attention.

Ah. Uninformative article is uninformative.
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#25
I wonder what the American's response would be if it was happening in another country...
#26
I personally think this is an irrational thing to do.


Ethier give the man the death penalty, a life sentence in prison. Solitary confinement should only be used on a temporary basis.

Im also in support of dismembering limbs (in a humane way, mind you) according to the crime commited.

Rape? fine, were making it so you can't get hard anymore. Stole over $15,000 worth of stuff? Were taking one of your hands.

Assualt and battery, or murder, dismember thier arms.
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#27
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I personally think this is an irrational thing to do.


Ethier give the man the death penalty, a life sentence in prison. Solitary confinement should only be used on a temporary basis.

Im also in support of dismembering limbs (in a humane way, mind you) according to the crime commited.

Rape? fine, were making it so you can't get hard anymore. Stole over $15,000 worth of stuff? Were taking one of your hands.

Assualt and battery, or murder, dismember thier arms.


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#28
alone in the dark for 23 hours a day for 40 years? that's like over $9000 in tissues!
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#30
what happend to the good old days where murderers were but in the arena, that was good fun!
#31
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See? It works. People are already scared.

Law isn't just for fear.

If you want that, why not just have death for all and any crimes? People would be shit scared, so I guess that makes that right?
#32
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I personally think this is an irrational thing to do.


Ethier give the man the death penalty, a life sentence in prison. Solitary confinement should only be used on a temporary basis.

+1

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Im also in support of dismembering limbs (in a humane way, mind you) according to the crime commited.

Maybe....
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Stole over $15,000 worth of stuff? Were taking one of your hands.
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Assualt and battery, or murder, dismember thier arms.

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#33
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Law isn't just for fear.

If you want that, why not just have death for all and any crimes? People would be shit scared, so I guess that makes that right?



There was supposed to be a mild sense of humor associated with my post, apparently it wasn't well received.

No it doesn't make it right. My deal real is, its not our place to decide if someone elses life should be taken or not, however, I find it more humane to disable or handicap an individual that has already proven themselves untrustworthy in the eye of the populous.

Disabling somebody from repeating a crime they have already comitted once first of all keeps them from doing it again, and also sets a fine example for everyone else. The best part about it is, nobody dies!

You can still live a completely productice life with no arms, or penis. It may suck, but your still alive.
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#34
Solitary shouldn't go on for more than 20 years. I do agree that those men should have gotten solitary.
#35
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Solitary shouldn't go on for more than 20 years. I do agree that those men should have gotten solitary.


Solitary for even less than a year runs the risk of causing severe mental health problems. Like, severe enough that if they were in the general population they would be committed to a long term psychiatric ward.

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#36
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There was supposed to be a mild sense of humor associated with my post, apparently it wasn't well received.

No it doesn't make it right. My deal real is, its not our place to decide if someone elses life should be taken or not, however, I find it more humane to disable or handicap an individual that has already proven themselves untrustworthy in the eye of the populous.

Disabling somebody from repeating a crime they have already comitted once first of all keeps them from doing it again, and also sets a fine example for everyone else. The best part about it is, nobody dies!

You can still live a completely productice life with no arms, or penis. It may suck, but your still alive.

Haha no I did recognise the element of humour there, but I think the part of your idea people would take issue is is the part you are saying you were entirely serious about.

Yes, cutting someone's arms off would probably physically prevent them re-offending, but it also completely removes their humanity and ability to rehabilitate.

Go around dismembering criminals and all you'll end up with is a bunch of angry nuggets, not a happy well-run society.

EDIT: and I would debate that someone could live life properly having been forcibly mutilated. Regardless of how small the physical limitation is, there is serious psychological harm caused there.
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#37
It makes me laugh whenever someone says that you can lose your human rights. The people commenting really are thick as shit.
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#38
Here's some interesting information on what they did in prison prior to the stabbing:
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The men then organized prisoners to build a movement within the walls to desegregate the prison, to end systematic rape and violence, for better living conditions, and worked as jailhouse lawyers helping prisoners file legal papers. They organized multiple strikes and sit-ins for better conditions.


40 years is solitary confinement is unacceptable, not even murderers deserve that. They may have screwed up a bit, but they were actively trying to better prison conditions. I'd bet that the prison guard was being an dick, or messing with them prior to the stabbing.
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#39
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Stole over $15,000 worth of stuff? Were taking one of your hands.

Assualt and battery, or murder, dismember thier arms.



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#40
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Go around dismembering criminals and all you'll end up with is a bunch of angry nuggets, not a happy well-run society.




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