#1
I'm in the process of recording a cover of Gojira's "Heaviest Matter of the Universe" but I'm having trouble with the mix. The guitars sound too far away, and the waveform already looks crowded. How can I get the whole mix to sound louder without having it actually be louder (along with the clipping and ugliness that goes with such a mix)?

Here's what I'm working with:
What I have so far (MP3): http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/FishStik/music/play1008675
Screenshot of my setup in REAPER: http://i.imgur.com/Q75MH.png
Screenshot of waveform: http://i.imgur.com/pJheY.png

If anybody has any tips or suggestions, please share! Are there any effects I should be using to get that polished, metal guitar sound? If you see from the screenshots that I'm doing something glaringly stupid, letting me know would be much appreciated!

(Also, I know the guitar tracks are sloppy. They're not final; I just want to know what kind of sound I'm able to achieve post-mix)
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#2
Hmm... well, I'm not an expert on this aspect of the process, but my first question is, how did you record the guitars? Did you mic an amp or go direct? Also, I'm at work, and can't listen to the MP3 right now, but do you have any reverb on the guitars? Reverb can make a guitar sound further back in the mix if you use too much of it.

If you did mic an amp, I would consider trying a different mic position, maybe closer to the grille if it isn't already.
#3
What are the EQ settings on your amp? I know it's typical to scoop the mids, but it really seems like you might've overdone that.
#4
You might wanna turn something down, you're clipping. And the guitar tone doesn't have enough body imo. It basically sounds like guitar high end on top of bass to me :\
#5
I recorded directly through USB with my RP500 effects pedal. I did have a little reverb to both guitar tracks (Guitar L reverb is audible at 2m37s).

Clipping is due to the fact that I can't render tracks from REAPER. I open up WavePad and play it back from REAPER, using the 'Stereo Out' to record what's being played on the sound card.

Here's a shot of the amp modeling and EQing from the pedal. I guess I did fall for the scooping mids trap!


Is it safe to assume that the 'pre-scoop' from this setup along with the extra scoop from the REAPER EQ causes this weak sound?
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Last edited by FishStik at Jun 8, 2011,
#6
This waveform is normal for a high gain guitar with reverb.
If you want to sound louder you need to compress: I recommend TLS Maximaizer (its a freeware vst and it's greate)

The guitars have to much mud in the low and, you need to filter low end BEFORE distortion
A little boost around 3-4 khz gives a lot to the tone, and don't forget to filter out those nasty digital resonance (around 5-6khz usually).
Also i hear a lot of unwanted clipping ( i mean clipping that is not part of the guitar amp distortion) so watch those meters!

Edit:
Why can't you render in reaper? you really don't want that clipping!
Those digital resonances weakens the sound much!
This might help : http://www.harmonycentral.com/docs/DOC-1652
Last edited by Nemui-Kuma at Jun 8, 2011,
#7
Here is the waveform of a direct REAPER render.
http://i.imgur.com/yiEzW.png

The volume here is ridiculous! It seems when I do the sound-card recording that it regulates the volume for me.

EDIT: Thanks for the link! Very interesting stuff.
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Last edited by FishStik at Jun 8, 2011,
#8
You need to high pass the guitars and the bass, there's a ton of muddiness and the guitars, kick and bass are all fighting. If your reverb has a built in HPF, set it pretty high, that's also muddying things (alternatively, you could just cut the reverb entirely and I dont think your sound would suffer). There's too much gain on the guitars which really hurts the clarity of your playing.

Once you have your low end balanced, you'll have more headroom and be able to push your master a lot louder than you can now.
#11
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1131250&page=1&pp=20

There are great amp sims such as the Nick Crow 7170 or TSE x30 that do great metal tones. If you're recording DI, just use those instead and follow that guide.
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#12
I think it's largely to do with your EQ and Compression. Is there any EQ or Compression? You definitely need more mid-range, and lots more compression.
#13
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I think it's largely to do with your EQ and Compression. Is there any EQ or Compression? You definitely need more mid-range, and lots more compression.


I think it's because Digitech RP's ****in suck.
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