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#1
So, I'm a amateur guitar player/enthusiast for years. Never owned an amp, only had a decent distortion pedal which I connect to a dj mixer ( ), with a ts to double mono ts cable. I can even adjust the sound with the eq on the mixer...
All this running through a pa amp to my trusted Alesis monitors.

I've always loved it, totally satisfied. Replaced the humbuckers to JB's and the old MT2 by a MXR Fullbore Metal recently, but basically same thing.

Am I missing something here? Why is everyone so into "amp modelling" these days? Have all of you played these special amps so you know their typical characteristics? To me it all sounds like subtle nuances in distortion/overdrive. Sorry if I offend.

Love to be enlightened.
#2
The good ones like the Axe FX let you get close to or nail the tone of several different amps. Instead of buying a bunch of different amps, you can buy one rack unit and have a wide variety of tones.
It's more useful for studios, session musicians, or anyone who needs a wide array of tones, but doesn't want to cart around 20 amps and cabs.
#3
All that I know is I'm never getting a modeling amp again. I heard they don't take pedals to well and who needs a modeling amp when you could get a mfx unit with the amps inside.
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#5
My friend has one and it sounds awesome. Tosin Abasi even used one to record I heard as he liked the tones :p
#6
It's really just because good tones can come from modellers for little money. Not everyone can afford to go out and buy a JCM, Dual Rec, and a VHT to get their tones.
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They don't take distortions and the like too well, but wah and stuff go fine with then in my experience.

Does a cube 15x take mfx unit well?
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It's really just because good tones can come from modellers for little money. Not everyone can afford to go out and buy a JCM, Dual Rec, and a VHT to get their tones.

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#9
Quote by kutless999
All that I know is I'm never getting a modeling amp again. I heard they don't take pedals to well and who needs a modeling amp when you could get a mfx unit with the amps inside.

Um, someone who can get a modeler that doesn't actually need pedals *cough*Axe-FX*cough* And they honestly usually take most pedals fine (spiders need not apply to this category, they're terrible)

Modeling is really just computer simulations of other amps. They're quite useful if you need a whole ****load of tones and don't have the space/money for a bunch of tube/analog SS amps. Considering an Axe-FX plus a decent power amp and cab has more than enough versatility for nearly everything, for less than what it would most likely cost for a number of tube amps that it provides.
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#10
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Um, someone who can get a modeler that doesn't actually need pedals *cough*Axe-FX*cough* And they honestly usually take most pedals fine (spiders need not apply to this category, they're terrible)

Modeling is really just computer simulations of other amps. They're quite useful if you need a whole ****load of tones and don't have the space/money for a bunch of tube/analog SS amps. Considering an Axe-FX plus a decent power amp and cab has more than enough versatility for nearly everything, for less than what it would most likely cost for a number of tube amps that it provides.

Would a cube 15x take an rp355 well?
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#11
Because if you don't have much money and just want a practice amp at home with a lot of different decent sounds then a decent modelling amp is a pretty good choice. Some are crap but you get some cheap nice ones like the vox valvetronix series and the roland cubes.

Then the really high end stuff like the axe fx is good for studio use or just people who want loads of different options for sound.
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Would a cube 15x take an rp355 well?

provided you aren't using time based effects on the RP355, it should work fine.
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#13
I'm not a fan of modeling amps. From what I can hear they steal so much from a guitar's natural tone. Modeled effects are okay (some sound to digital though) but for modeling amps and cabs...ehhhh not so much.
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#14
Quote by Darth_jacob22
I'm not a fan of modeling amps. From what I can hear they steal so much from a guitar's natural tone. Modeled effects are okay (some sound to digital though) but for modeling amps and cabs...ehhhh not so much.

clearly you've never tried a good modeler/modeling program/plugin. I honestly can't tell the difference between the Revalver Mk. III.V 6505+ and my 6505+. They're that similar.
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
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Quote by oneblackened
clearly you've never tried a good modeler/modeling program/plugin. I honestly can't tell the difference between the Revalver Mk. III.V 6505+ and my 6505+. They're that similar.


I'm not convinced on the "amazingness" of modeling amps. A few neighbors have some high end modelers (such as the Revalver) and I'm still not convinced (and these guys and gals worship these amps).

If they're for you than thats great, but they're simply not for me.
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#16
Quote by Darth_jacob22
I'm not convinced on the "amazingness" of modeling amps. A few neighbors have some high end modelers (such as the Revalver) and I'm still not convinced (and these guys and gals worship these amps).

If they're for you than thats great, but they're simply not for me.

They're probably just shit at eqing them
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#17
i will take my dozen or so tube heads and dozen or so cabs that i have in my studio, and if need be haul two heads to a gig with one or two cabs, i will do that. no modeling BS for me. thats just my opinion though. take it for what its worth.
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#18
Quote by oneblackened
clearly you've never tried a good modeler/modeling program/plugin. I honestly can't tell the difference between the Revalver Mk. III.V 6505+ and my 6505+. They're that similar.


I agree to that... the ReValver Mk 3 is one of the more powerful modeling software on the market right now.

TS, I know you're happy with your tone, but at least do try to check out and try something like the Vox VT, Peavey Vypyr, Line 6 Pod HD.

Or if you wanna use a computer, try the ReValver or Guitar Rig.

Any of these will be able to model the tones of most amps fairly accurately. True that they do rob some dynamics, nuances and feel from your playing, but the returns in terms of tonal accuracy is usually work the sacrifice.

Bottomline: if you don't know if the modelers are good, go try one and decide for yourself.
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#19
All of the recordings on my profile are done with PodFarm, and the most recent with PodFarm 2.5 because it's much easier than micing up one of my amps at 11pm at night. I think they sound fine
#20
i like my modelling amp, and it goes well with a slight overdrive from my screamin blues but it doesn't really get along with my little big muff sadly.
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I agree to that... the ReValver Mk 3 is one of the more powerful modeling software on the market right now.

TS, I know you're happy with your tone, but at least do try to check out and try something like the Vox VT, Peavey Vypyr, Line 6 Pod HD.

Or if you wanna use a computer, try the ReValver or Guitar Rig.

Any of these will be able to model the tones of most amps fairly accurately. True that they do rob some dynamics, nuances and feel from your playing, but the returns in terms of tonal accuracy is usually work the sacrifice.

Bottomline: if you don't know if the modelers are good, go try one and decide for yourself.

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#22
Quote by Darth_jacob22
I'm not a fan of modeling amps. From what I can hear they steal so much from a guitar's natural tone. Modeled effects are okay (some sound to digital though) but for modeling amps and cabs...ehhhh not so much.


Play a Line 6 Vetta, then say that again...

Cheap modelers, sure, are pretty terrible, but the higher-end stuff actually intended for musicians and not for bedroom kids? Hell, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68y1gjEHiBM
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#24
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^ that's awesome!


My Vypyr haz a diezel model 2
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/311ZOSOVHJH/music/all/play983752

I had a vypyr, but I realized I really didn't need all those tones.
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ I know. I still suck at that

If I could tighten that up it would sound riotous.

To be fair i suppose it's only a tone demo thing and the tone is really good for a vypry :O And tbh with double tracking i find it hard to do anything like that without a drummer. Like, i find it way harder to play anything in time properly to a click track, it has to be at least a drum machine sound or something.
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Quote by Raijouta
Play a Line 6 Vetta, then say that again...

Cheap modelers, sure, are pretty terrible, but the higher-end stuff actually intended for musicians and not for bedroom kids? Hell, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68y1gjEHiBM


That is surreal... and honestly the AxeFX still tricks me into thinking I'm hearing a tube amp rather than a modeller.

Hey 311, I heard your clips in the last NAD... hmm... that makes it so tempting to get a Vypyr just for the heck of getting one haha.
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#33
Until it breaks.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
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Quote by ragingkitty
That is surreal... and honestly the AxeFX still tricks me into thinking I'm hearing a tube amp rather than a modeller.

Hey 311, I heard your clips in the last NAD... hmm... that makes it so tempting to get a Vypyr just for the heck of getting one haha.

Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment (tonally).
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^ I'll buy another one

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#37
Quote by darkwolf291
They don't take distortions and the like too well, but wah and stuff go fine with then in my experience.


+1

It also has to do with budget you get a lot of value out of something like a Vox Valvetronix amp VT20/40+ has the same amp models as the Valvetronix ST.

Matter of fact the controls are almost identical.

The only difference is the expression pedal on the tonelabl is more flexible than a separate wah.
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#38
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I've never heard any axe fx clip that i've thought sounded particuarly good tbh, the violin one is cool but i'm talking about more 'generic' stuff i suppose, a typical crunchy distortion for instance.


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#39
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They're all in pretty poor quality tbh, webcam mics or similar. I'd like to hear a properly miced up demo , i did hear one earlier somewhere and i wasn't impressed, some of those sound alright but it's hard to tell due to the recordings not being very good.
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