#1
so, had a darn good day at GC. played a whole lotta stuff. thought i would share thoughts if anybody gives a darn.

Gretsch 5120 - first impression WOW. these guitars are very quality and sound fantastic for the price. easily the nicest hollow ive played under 1000 bucks.

liked - great feel of neck, strap buttons unscrew and then screw/lock your strap back on, very nice. master AND pickup volumes allow a ton of tonal options.
didnt - body is pretty darn big. i mean, its big and thick. upper fret access

the guitar plays very well andsounds even better. i was worried the pickups would have too much twang, but they have a nice rock growl. depending on the volume and pickup settings, this guitar can be a rock/country/jazz beast. IMO this thing kills a es335 for the price ($750). man does thing thing have a great tone. the bigsby is a first for me, and has a great action. slight up and down action and works very well. robust, and can be subtle or dramatic. i would say it has about as smooth an action as ive ever seen on a vibrato. overal, both me and my buddy agreed it was probably one of the best sounding guitars we picked up in GC.

...oh yeah, fret acces past the 15th is VERY hard. not a shredder.

Epiphone Sheraton - buddys wants one, so we looked. has that 335 esk tone, nice appointments. easily the nicest epiphone anybody will ever seen. definitely a high end model.

liked - standard hollowbody sound, very nice fit and finish
didnt like - NECK...IT IS A BASEBALL BAT

the guitar sounds very much like a 335. dark, full, and jazzy. very good quality for an epiphone. plays well, except the neck on this guitar is easily the biggest neck ive ever felt. EVER. even on gibsons. this neck is massive. they were asking 700ish, and for the money, it is a nice guitar but the neck is a turnoff. solid guitar. a bit pricey for an epiphone.

...other notes: great upper fret access (similar to 335)

Fender jazzmaster - caugth buddys eye. asian made cause it was like 500 or something.

likes - different look and sound
dislikes - didnt sound as good as rest of guitars we tried

has a unique sound and look to it. has that big old single coil up front and humbucker in the back which gives unique tonal qualities. same fender feel and same asian fender quality. pretty standard. solid guitar, no complaints. it just didnt hold its to these others.

Music Man John Petrucci model w/peizo - THIS..ladies and gentlemen is a pleasure. this guitar has a unique double action tremolo, unique everything.

likes - everying about the build
dislikes - i was a moron and didnt plug it in

OMG. thats all i can say. this guitar is breath-taking. countoured body, knobs with a gripp surfaceis nice, top quality hardware and switching, locking tuners. best part - BIRDSEYE MAPLE NECK with an satin/unfinished wood, and then is finished in gloss on the headstock. clearly, amazing quality and though, and it felt silky smooth. this is my ideal neck. insane. the trem is smooth and goes up and down, but is not double locking. seems to work well. i really like it to a floyd. the peizo system has adjustable EQ on the back with what looks like a stereo out. I CANT BELIVE I DIDNT PLUG IT IN

...other notes: the thought, fit anf finish, ad appointments to this guitar are almost unsurpassed without going custom or to a company like PRS. this guitar easily destroyed about anything in guitar center in terms of build quality. amazing guitar, i am kicking myself for not actually playing it. if you get the chance to play a music man, i highly suggest you do.

Gibson Les paul studio w/P-90s, vintage worn finish in white - good guitar. solid sound. i find that lower end gibsons are slightly sub par for what they should be.

likes - nice playability, p-90s are the best thing to ever happen to a paul
dislikes - imo under about 2000 bucks, gibsons have poor feel and fit and finish

overall, the guitar sounds great with p-90s. amazing grown and definition and the right amount of pizazz. its like, humbuckers are digital and p90s are analog. slightly less defined, great growl. really is a super thick beefy single coil and it sounds amazing in a les paul layout. both my friend and i ageed, its the sickest les paul configuration we have played. However, i feel the fit and finish and feel of the guitar are lacking for a 800-900 dollar guitar. even the epiphone sheraton felt better built. the pickups were VERY poorly adjusted ot of the factory. all crooked and weird.

...side notes: highly recommend p90 les pauls. i peronally feel unless you drop 2000 + on a gibson, you can get better feel and quality elsewhere. i also feel like for 2000 other companies make better guitars. ie - iwill probably never own a gibson. it DOES sound good though.

i have amps...but ill save that for the other forum.

if you cared cool. if not, well i guess this thread is as useless as "lets post pics of our strats!!!!!!!"
Last edited by ikey_ at Jun 9, 2011,
#2
nice reviews

i agree with you regarding the cheaper gibsons (the ones i've tried, anyway). They sound pretty good but they feel like they were put together by me.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#3
The 5120 is what I use to test amps in GC. Amazing guitars, and the price is unreal. "Not a shredder" is a bit of an understatement, of course.
If you thought the Bigsby was smooth with the 5120, try one with a proper roller bridge sometime. The 5120 has the standard TOM, which is just fine, but with a good roller bridge you can basically breathe on the arm and get vibrato.

I lub Gretsch.
#4
yeah. i was pleasantly surprised. im not a big vibrato guy and i dont need double locking. this was probably the smoothest, best vibrato ive seen thus far. even goes up pitch a bit (ive heard to to do that very far on bigsbys). but again, its huge, heavy, and looks crazy gaudy on beautiful guitars.

but yeah all in all for the money i say about the best hollowbody you can buy. only downs are the size and the lack of fret access past about the 12th/15th.

dave mc - yeah. i feel i would rather have a very nice epiphone with good fit and finish and then put aftermarket p-90s inthem than drop 1000 on a gibson. the only gibsons ive ever liked were 335s and high end les pauls, all of which retail over 2000. honestly, i thought this 5120 had more character, and more diverse soound options than any 335 ive played. it is quite a bit bigger though.
#6
If you didn't like the size of the 5120, you could try the 5122. It's a double-cutaway "Epiphone Casino"-esque guitar, except with Gretsch styling and appointments. I used to own one in black and I regret selling it.

Also, if it was a HS Fender Jazzmaster, you were looking at the Blacktop series, which is Mexican, not Asian.
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#7
if i were to get a gretsch (just one) i might look into the pro jet, chamber solid body les paul esk type. i feel it would have the gretsch vibe. i also feel it would destroy epiphone quality.

i play oo much types of music to just have a 5120 or a huge hollow body. if i had tons of money and could just can man types of guitars, i tell you i would have a 5120 on the way (or a better model)

yeah. this model was used for 1499. it was also a 7 string. i researched music mans. they start at about 1500 and go up to about 4000 for signatures. i dunno about 4000, but thie 1500-2000 silouhettes are AMAZING. these guitars truely do have far above average quality for anything in thier price range. i literally, i just say there tingkering with the guitar and saying "this is amazing"

....then i picked up a gibson studio and got really sad. but really, no guitar has given me that reaction since the last time i picked up a USA PRS

but playing p90s gibsons in guitar center makes me want to install p90s on my epiphone. darn it why do i have to be a broke **s unemployed college grad.
Last edited by ikey_ at Jun 9, 2011,
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Quote by ikey_

dave mc - yeah. i feel i would rather have a very nice epiphone with good fit and finish and then put aftermarket p-90s inthem than drop 1000 on a gibson. the only gibsons ive ever liked were 335s and high end les pauls, all of which retail over 2000. honestly, i thought this 5120 had more character, and more diverse soound options than any 335 ive played. it is quite a bit bigger though.


yeah i mean here in europe at that kind of money i'd be looking at japanese-made tokais or similar. They're not as easy to get hold of in america, though (plus gibsons are cheaper in america too).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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The 5120 is what I use to test amps in GC. Amazing guitars, and the price is unreal. "Not a shredder" is a bit of an understatement, of course.
If you thought the Bigsby was smooth with the 5120, try one with a proper roller bridge sometime. The 5120 has the standard TOM, which is just fine, but with a good roller bridge you can basically breathe on the arm and get vibrato.

I lub Gretsch.



Where the hell is the 5120 at our Guitar Center? I've only seen the Electromatics.
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Last edited by JustRooster at Jun 10, 2011,
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well i dunno about all guitar centers, but it seems like most of the hollow bodies i see are hanging up high. this one was so high i had to reach up and BARELY grab it.

i guess thats probably cause 95% of people do not play big old hollow bodies, and the USA gretschs cost like 1500+. oh and they are fragile (compared to solid bodies).
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Quote by JustRooster
Where the hell is the 5120 at our Guitar Center? I've only seen the Electromatics.

I go to the one in Brookfield. Much better selection.

I think there's a black 5120 there, though. There was a few weeks ago when I went.
#12
wait...whats wrong with the electromatics??? ive always thought the les paul (single cut) model with no bigsby would be a unique sounding solid upgrade from most cheaper asian stuff out there
#13
I hope you bought something whilst you were there....

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#14
No, I only buy stuff at Cream City. Perhaps you can see why.

Fred Gretsch on the left, Kim Falcon on the right. Not sure who the guy in the middle is, but that's hardly the point.
#15
I meant TS, it seems a bit of a dick move to play that many guitars for an extended period of time with no intention of buying something

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#16
Your guitar centers must be different from our guitar centers. Saturdays and Sundays are nothing but 13 year olds playing pointy guitars into Line 6 products. They never buy anything.
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If you didn't like the size of the 5120, you could try the 5122. It's a double-cutaway "Epiphone Casino"-esque guitar, except with Gretsch styling and appointments. I used to own one in black and I regret selling it.

Also, if it was a HS Fender Jazzmaster, you were looking at the Blacktop series, which is Mexican, not Asian.

beat me to it
I loved loved loved the G5120, but thought it looked better with a double cut, so I bought a g5122, same thing with a double cut, <3

As for the low end Gibby, I love them personally, love my SG and have that les paul you tried on order (goldtop)...
Looks like for the rest we share the same opinions =)
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Where the hell is the 5120 at our Guitar Center? I've only seen the Electromatics.


the g5120 is an electromtatic..
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Quote by JustRooster
Where the hell is the 5120 at our Guitar Center? I've only seen the Electromatics.


The 5120 is an Electromatic. It's the import version of the 6120, which is/was Gretsch's mainstay guitar since the 50's.
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Quote by Roc8995
Your guitar centers must be different from our guitar centers. Saturdays and Sundays are nothing but 13 year olds playing pointy guitars into Line 6 products. They never buy anything.



Must be, but then again, thats probably the reason my store look after me so well as they know I never waste their time

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Quote by Roc8995
No, I only buy stuff at Cream City. Perhaps you can see why.

Fred Gretsch on the left, Kim Falcon on the right. Not sure who the guy in the middle is, but that's hardly the point.



Cream City is the only place in the world that has the Greg Koch signature Strats/Teles. A rather awesome shop, and much cooler employees than Dave's over in La Crosse.
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#21
well, i was helping myself, not bothering employees. for all they know, i didnt find what i was looking for. they are a guitar store. also, i go to guitar center about 3 times a year max. i mean, i see a high end music man (which ive never seen in my life) i am going to fondle it.

but we did have a long talk with the tech about stratocaster bridges as my friend needed parts, and we did buy some. the tech agreed with most of my logic and knoweldge of guitars and choosing the right parts for my friend, so i think we got along in that regard.
i didnt get the impression i was anoying anybody. nobody even asked if we needed help.

and for the record, my friend DOES want a sheraton. one of the reasons we came.

and cream city - jesus that is a lot of gretsch guitar in one store. i think even the guitar center only had 2-3 max.
#22
Haven't seen Greg in there for a while, but he's awesome. I'll keep an eye out for his clinics there, maybe we can road trip it out from Madison.
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Quote by Roc8995
Haven't seen Greg in there for a while, but he's awesome. I'll keep an eye out for his clinics there, maybe we can road trip it out from Madison.



Definitely. My next door neighbor in Stevens Point was actually Greg's roommate in college. I've subbed in for their band's bassist a time or two and played in my high school band with his son. Small world when it comes to Wisconsin music.
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#25
Interesting observation on the Sheraton neck. About a year ago I went to GC and tried a Sheraton that was hanging on the wall and it was very confortable. The neck was thinner than most of the other models I tried out; I almost thought too thin. They had another brand new Sheraton still in the box so I had them bring it out thinking I'll buy the one that hasn't been touched. When I tried it out, I couldn't believe how much bigger the neck was than the demo model on the wall. So I ended up buying the demo. Wouldn't you think the necks would be somewhat consistant? They werent's even close!
#26
good reviews but i have to point out that the jazzmaster was a blacktop series guitar and not a "real" jazzmaster. had you played a real one i'm sure it would have gotten a better review. not really a fair fight as all the other guitar you played were way maore expensive.

didn't plug in the petrucci for shame.
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Quote by ikey_
i feel the fit and finish and feel of the guitar are lacking for a 800-900 dollar guitar. even the epiphone sheraton felt better built. the pickups were VERY poorly adjusted ot of the factory. all crooked and weird.

the funny thing about gibson really is that some other guy might pick that same guitar up and think it feels very well built. gibsons all feel different, and that feel is subjective in a weird sort of way. an example would be my LP studio - i love it, and can't fault it unless i compare it to my SG which isn't really a fair comparsion, but i'm pretty sure there's someone in the world who would pick it up and think it's bloody horrible. and that applies to any gibson at any price range. i think each guitar they make has one person that loves it for every 1000 people that try it, and likewise, you'll only love one in every 1000 gibsons that you try

with regards to the pickup adjustments, when i got my LP studio the bridge was set up at a weird tilt, so the action was really high on the bass side and ridiculously low on the treble side (to the point of fretting out), and the pickups were set at the same sort of angle to compensate for the string height. is that the same kind of thing you're referring to when you say the pickups were all crooked and weird?
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