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#1
So I realize that I need a guitar that will take care of the rest of the rock spectrum my tele is not built for (punk rock to Coheed and Cambria). I've always wanted a Gibson since I started playing, and I'm starting to think this is the perfect time to either get one, or save towards a top end one. And this is where the problem lies.

Should I save for a Les Paul Custom, or go with a Junior? I know the Junior is less valuable in the long run, and less versatile, but it's also about 1/4th the price.

I'm really looking for people who have owned Customs and could weigh in on whether or not they're worth the price tag.

For the record, my tele will get me from Mayer to Zepplin, I need to get from there to rock/hardcore punk/ect/ect.
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#2
I haven't owned a custom. But one pf my friends does, it is killer!!! Well worth the extra imo
#3
if you want a les paul and are worried about the price in any way, would just wouldn't buy a gibson. there are other brands that make quality single cut guitars for way less money.
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#4
well, the standard Jrs have P90's, and the Les Paul customs typically have humbuckers. So, do you want a humbucker or P90? P90's are unlike any other single coil. They are much thicker, much warmer than your typical tele. I love my Les Paul 54' Reissue with P90's. I think they are the ultimate pickup, but then again I love my other humbucking guitars too. It is all personal preference. Go try some out!
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#5
the custom and jr are kind of an odd point to choose. i have played a few customs, and they are amazing, i remember liking the 198? Custom better than the newer one a played at GC a few weeks ago.

how about a happy medium?

Les Paul Traditional or Standard? there are several versions and they are all very high quality guitars, on par with the customs? NO. but certainly better than a Jr.

also one P90 v. two buckers
$800 v. $4,000

seems like you just want to get your hands on a Gibby.

i own six of them, they are on my profile.

but i would
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#6
What's the difference between a Custom, a Standard, and a Traditional? Aside from the higher build quality of a Custom.
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#7
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What's the difference between a Custom, a Standard, and a Traditional? Aside from the higher build quality of a Custom.


The build quality of my SG is unbelievable. Definitely close behind my Les Paul. My ES-137, on the other hand, has the worst build quality out of all my guitars. It isn't bad, but the binding has some cracking only after a few years. Either way, i think most Gibson's are built very well. But a Les Paul studio just doesn't feel like a custom.
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#8
go out and try them. You would be crazy to be spending that kind of money on a guitar you have not seen or played. i have played many les paul's and there have only been a handful which have been brilliant the rest were not worth the price tag.

The best sounding les paul i have played so far was a traditional but again I'll stress, it is a pretty rare thing to find a great les paul first go round. shop around ALOT before you pick one. and take the one you were playing in the store, a new one from the factory will most likely sound and play very differently.
#9
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What's the difference between a Custom, a Standard, and a Traditional? Aside from the higher build quality of a Custom.

A Custom has the double binding, a bound head stock, the fretboard is ebony, hardware is usually gold and the arch body cap is mahogany (so the guitar is mainly mahogany).
Since 2008 the Standards have had routed bodies (mass reduction), single binding, nickel hardware, rosewood fretboard and a maple body cap. I think the neck is recessed further into the body in order to increase sustain.
A Traditional is the same as a Standard except the body is not routed, so it's based on the Standard pre-08.
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#11
I have a Custom and believe me it is definitely worth saving up for. They sound better than the others. I have played various Customs and A/B'd them Standards and other CS models and the Customs generally always come out on top

Get a 68RI (not from GC though) They have all the features of the reissues (long neck tenon, solid body (no weight relief) etc..) except they have a maple top rather than mahogany and USA wiring (which is easy enough to change.) You can get them for less than $3500 new.

I am not affiliated with them but contact Eddie's Guitars and ask for Brett. He cut me a brilliant deal. Just say George Skelly (guitarbob123) told you about a 68RI and he'll see you get a good deal and pick out a nice one for you. He's still got them in stock now I think.

Even if you don't go for the Custom, I'd still contact Eddie's Guitars. Thier customer service is second to none and they offer amazing prices.
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#12
Quote by mcraddict81592
What's the difference between a Custom, a Standard, and a Traditional? Aside from the higher build quality of a Custom.


I'd imagine that the Customs would be more consistent. If you're serious about a Gibby, Chris you really need to try them. I was looking a while back and there was a pretty noticeable difference in the various LP's there. I actually ended up liking the studio they had there more than the Standards / Traditionals.

Was it the P90's that were drawing you to the Jr's?
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#13
I could never play a Studio, Les Pauls need block inlays.

I'm leaning towards the Traditional because I don't like the chambered, but I'm gonna give the R7/8/9 a serious look, how big is the price jump for those?
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#14
If it absolutely needs to say Gibson on the headstock then I'd suggest looking at used as well. You could SOME money that way
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#15
I'm assuming you mean save some money, and I'm intending to go used. I have no intention of giving my money to the current owners of Gibson...
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#16
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I could never play a Studio, Les Pauls need block inlays.

I'm leaning towards the Traditional because I don't like the chambered, but I'm gonna give the R7/8/9 a serious look, how big is the price jump for those?


Well, the R7's and R8's are both $3,699.00 USD but the R8 can be more depending on the finish.

The R9's on the other hand run at about $5,699.00 depending on the finish.

Personally I love R7's and R8's way more than the R9.
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#18
Quote by kracdown
Personally I love R7's and R8's way more than the R9.

Why's that? And why are the R9's so much more?
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#19
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Why's that? And why are the R9's so much more?


I personally like the thicker necks, which the R9 doesn't have. I asked a similar question in one of my threads: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1446418&page=2&pp=20

I asked:

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what are the key differences in the R7's, R8's, and R9's?


then I got the reply, which i believe is correct:

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R7's are generally goldtops and have beefy necks, R8's are burst with beefy necks, R9's are bursts with slightly less beefy necks.
In VOS an R7, R8 Plain Top or R9 Plain Top should be the same price. Gloss models (in plaintop) are around $300 more. Then if you go to plus tops you can add up to $2000+
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#20
every custom ive ever played was absolutly amazing.

but it also depends on age/future plans and all since 4k is alot of money. because id be saving up for one too if i didnt have to worry about buying a car, car insurance, gas, and university.

id say maybe a tradtional pro? im currently GASing for one, and will probably get one at the end of the year. check it out, and its literally half the price of the custom too. ive also heard barely any bad things about the guitar.

btw you reignited my GAS for an LPC
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#21


Mmmmm.
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#22
dude, get some kind of Goldtop Les Paul (57' or some other Limited Edition or whatever). everyone needs a Goldtop... they give you powers.
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

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#23
Meh, not really my style.
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#24
oh, well then. I would get an R8 if I were you. Gibson makes R7 Custom's, but they are black with gold hard wear. I'm not sure if that is your style, it's definitely not mine.
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#25
I would enjoy an R8, but it's quite a bit o' cash for me.
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#26
i was quite happy with the trad pro i played today. far from being on par with the customs or R7/R8/R9's. it had a really nice feel to it. pleking is always nice, seemed like a solid guitar all around. but i would still get a custom if i had the cash to priortize a LP Custom.

my funds are going into amps atm.
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#27
If you can't find a solid one used, then go for a new or used Traditional.
Guitars:
Gibson SG Standard with Bigsby
Gibson Custom ES-137
Gibson Custom 54' Les Paul VOS Goldtop
Gretsch G6129T Silver Jet
1968 Harmony Rocket H75


Amps:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (modded)
1970 Fender Twin Reverb (blackfaced)

#28
On good news?

they all come in red.

That said, IMO, custom, standard, traditional, classic, just doesn't matter. The people and machines that made the 80s standards now make the customs and custom shop vos guitars.

But. They all feel different, because they all are. Neck angles, profiles, pups, chambered, weight relieved, solid etc.

The best paul for the money right now new is the r7. They price dropped to $2800 ish. So there's that option.

Used customs go for $2000-2500. Pretty much any year after the early 70s.

Norlins can go for less. Don't let that scare you, some norlins are crazy good, even the pancake bodies. Customs included.

Now older used standards and classics can be had cheap too. My old standard was $200 more than a new studio, and I think it plays every bit as well as a new custom. My friend that has a new custom, 2010, agrees.

But its Gibson so lets just say its best to play a bunch and see which one says, start the car, we're going home now. Honestly.
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#29
What are these "Norlins"?
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#30
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#32
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What are these "Norlins"?

Norlin was the company that owned Gibson when they annoyed everyone, cut corners and used balsa wood and off cuts of spruce to make their guitars. Badly.
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#34
I'd seriously consider a Traditional Pro. It's the middle ground of the price range of the two guitars you listed. (IIRC, they're a little under 2 grand.) Either way, the ones I've played have all felt and sounded fantastic.
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#35
That's actually at the top of my list right now. It's just a matter of going out and finding one I like (and getting the cash together).
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#36
i guess im the only person that has never been impressed by the Customs. All the ones ive played just felt...stiff. Like i was having to fight it to play it. If im paying 4 grand for a guitar, it should levitate, play itself, make dinner and have a choir of angels come down everytime i hit a chord. Not feel like im struggling to play it.
#37
I just wanted to bring you back to your opening post where you said should I go for a Junior or save for the Custom. Seems to me - and I'm not being a psychologist type smart ass! - but it seems you're already thinking of saving for the Custom as that's what you really want. By reading that post that's what I got from it anyway.

So I say, save that extra bit and get what you really want. Kinda answered your own question. Like I say I hope don't come across as a knob but go for what you want.

And Gibson had QA probs in the past but that's pretty much sorted these days. Higher end is gonna get you a mighty Gibby and the smile on the face you are looking for.
#38
i would get a custom built guitar if i was spending 3000 on it. you could get a guitar made exactly to your specs and IMO be way happier with it. but that's just me. if one of those lp's IS exactly what you want then go for it
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#39
Quote by mcraddict81592
What are these "Norlins"?

"On Dec 19, 1969 Ecuadorian Company Ltd (ECL) bought controlling interest in Chicago Musical Instruments (CMI) which owned Gibson. The new company was named Norlin. Gibson was Norlin's last musical company asset to be sold off, in January 1986."

gibson guitars made during that period. contrary to a lot of gibson BS you see online, the pancake bodies and 3 piece necks started before Norlin.

a friend of mine has a 68 LP deluxe, and it's a pancake body.
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#40
Quote by kracdown
Well, the R7's and R8's are both $3,699.00 USD but the R8 can be more depending on the finish.

The R9's on the other hand run at about $5,699.00 depending on the finish.

Personally I love R7's and R8's way more than the R9.


I know a place (in the US) where you can get brand new R8's or R7's for around $3200 new with warranty from a official Gibson retailer. PM for details.

I'd definitely say there's a massive step up from USA to CS with Gibson. I've played around half a dozen Traditionals and half a dozen R7s and the R7 were all consistently very very good and comfortable to play. A couple of the Traditionals were good but the rest were heavby and nothing special tone-wise, they certainly weren't worth the cost whereas the R7s were. The R8s I've played have all been similar to R7s.

I currently have a Les Paul Custom 68RI.

R9's have a flame maple top so cost more, plus they have had more famous players as such. Real 58 Les Pauls had flamed tops, and real 59s had plain tops, just something gibson have changed on the reissues.
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