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I just thought it might be interesting to read some UGer's opinions on this.

Basically, a friend and I are both going to turn 18 right at the beginning of our Senior year of high school (we're starting Junior year this coming fall, so it's still a year away). His parents are saying that once he turns 18, they're kicking him out. Another friend of mine is turning 18 next month, and as soon as he does, he's getting kicked out of his house too. He doesn't have a job, or any way to support himself. He plans to finish high school, but I can't imagine it being easy while also being forced to support yourself.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that I believe it should be illegal for someone's parents or guardians to kick them out of the house while they're still in school; it's just encouraging people to drop out, really. That's what happened with my older brother; he ended up dropping out because he couldn't support himself while going to school.

I was just curious as to what the Pit's viewpoint on this was; I thought it might be interesting to hear input from some of you.
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Retarded mentality. I can understand if you aren't going to school or college, but the fact that even at 18, without the completion of HIGH SCHOOL, you pretty much useless to society, and by kicking you out you are going to most probably live a life of menial work just so you can get by.
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They wouldn't kick him out for nothing. He's probably a lazy prick at home. If he did a bit of housework they wouldn't mind him staying there.


Yep
There wouldn't be a reason if he could give his fair share..
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Quote by WhiskeyFace
They wouldn't kick him out for nothing. He's probably a lazy prick at home. If he did a bit of housework they wouldn't mind him staying there.
In the case of the one that's the same age as me, he actually does work around the house. He isn't lazy, he's just never been able to get along with his parents; I've always thought they were dicks to him, to be honest.

In the case of the one that's getting kicked out next month, it's because he's just not what they expect him to be. He used to be in Cross Country and Academic Decathlon and a lot of other extra curricular things, but he ended up quitting all of those, because he hated them. A lot of it is just him not trying to be a "family" with them (they're his aunt and uncle, not his actual parents).
#7
i was thrown out at 16 got a job and finished school... there are ways to do it , u might have to sacrifice a few things but thats life. and really when you turn 18 your parents have every right to ask you to leave and obtain their life back... just my opinion.
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Quote by WhiskeyFace
They wouldn't kick him out for nothing. He's probably a lazy prick at home. If he did a bit of housework they wouldn't mind him staying there.

I agree with this, though I don't think parents should be able to kick out their children while still in school.
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Quote by arthurt420
i was thrown out at 16 got a job and finished school... there are ways to do it , u might have to sacrifice a few things but thats life. and really when you turn 18 your parents have every right to ask you to leave and obtain their life back... just my opinion.
I see what you're saying, but it seems like if people are going to take on the responsibility of supporting another human being, they should go through with it, not kick them out while they're still in school.
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Quote by herby190
In the case of the one that's the same age as me, he actually does work around the house. He isn't lazy, he's just never been able to get along with his parents; I've always thought they were dicks to him, to be honest.

In the case of the one that's getting kicked out next month, it's because he's just not what they expect him to be. He used to be in Cross Country and Academic Decathlon and a lot of other extra curricular things, but he ended up quitting all of those, because he hated them. A lot of it is just him not trying to be a "family" with them (they're his aunt and uncle, not his actual parents).


If it truly is the parents just being idiots then the two of them should get a place together to make it more affordable and show the parents that they're fine on their own.
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Quote by herby190
In the case of the one that's the same age as me, he actually does work around the house. He isn't lazy, he's just never been able to get along with his parents; I've always thought they were dicks to him, to be honest.

In the case of the one that's getting kicked out next month, it's because he's just not what they expect him to be. He used to be in Cross Country and Academic Decathlon and a lot of other extra curricular things, but he ended up quitting all of those, because he hated them. A lot of it is just him not trying to be a "family" with them (they're his aunt and uncle, not his actual parents).

With the fact that they're his aunt and uncle, he should be grateful that they even took him in to begin with.
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They wouldn't kick him out for nothing. He's probably a lazy prick at home. If he did a bit of housework they wouldn't mind him staying there.


IDK, One of my dad's friends kicked all of his daughters out at 18 for doing nothing. They weren't bad or anything. I guess he thought that was the right way or something. IMO it's pretty ****ed up

I go to college, but it's local so I still live at home, and plan to keep living at home.
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I see what you're saying, but it seems like if people are going to take on the responsibility of supporting another human being, they should go through with it, not kick them out while they're still in school.


18 years of support is pretty damned good i mean do the math they have spent a small fortune on you.
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If it truly is the parents just being idiots then the two of them should get a place together to make it more affordable and show the parents that they're fine on their own.
That's assuming everything does okay. Keep in mind, one doesn't have a job, and is getting kicked out in a month; it doesn't leave him in the best situation.
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Quote by arthurt420
18 years of support is pretty damned good i mean do the math they have spent a small fortune on you.
That's kind of a responsibility they take on when they decide they're going to care for another human being; if you're not going to support your child, then don't have one.
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In Sweden it's illegal to kick your children out of the house as long as they attend school and cannot support themselves financially.
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That's kind of a responsibility they take on when they decide they're going to care for another human being; if you're not going to support your child, then don't have one.


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that's pretty crap parenting tbh no offense
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That's kind of a responsibility they take on when they decide they're going to care for another human being; if you're not going to support your child, then don't have one.


so you consider an 18 year old a child not an adult?
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Retarded mentality. I can understand if you aren't going to school or college, but the fact that even at 18, without the completion of HIGH SCHOOL, you pretty much useless to society, and by kicking you out you are going to most probably live a life of menial work just so you can get by.


Is it your serious contention that mere completion of high school makes one useful to society?

I hire people on a regular basis for very well paying jobs. I don't care in the slightest how they did in high school, or even if they finished. I've got one young man that has very marginal reading and writing skills, but he's very good at his job.

He made north of $200,000 last year.

Granted, he works his ass off, but it's not exactly a hand-to-mouth existence.

High school has value, but let's not blow it out of proportion. It's not finishing or dropping out of HS that's the deciding factor in success, it's willingness to work (hard), willingness to learn, and sometimes a little bit of luck.
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Quote by herby190
That's assuming everything does okay. Keep in mind, one doesn't have a job, and is getting kicked out in a month; it doesn't leave him in the best situation.


I wasn't assuming that they would be fine on their own but that is what they should aim for, not only just to be ...well, fine, but to show the parents. It's hard to tell whether the parents actually just want rid of the them or test their responsibility or something stupid like that.
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With the fact that they're his aunt and uncle, he should be grateful that they even took him in to begin with.
I agree, but I just don't see the logic in deciding to adopt somebody if you're going to do the bare minimum.
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Quote by stratdud39
That's rather subjective.


And that's exactly why their legal guardians can do whatever they want.


But none of us can give a fair statement on the matter without all the details.
there could be more reasons TS isn't saying.
Parents have to spend a lot on education and food and all sorts. If they don't get along and start being weight, then kicking them out and giving them a sense of the world should give them a jolt in the backside to get going.
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so you consider an 18 year old a child not an adult?
I meant child as in someone you're legally guardian for; I'm not sure what the legal term for that would be.
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And that's exactly why their legal guardians can do whatever they want.


But none of us can give a fair statement on the matter without all the details.
there could be more reasons TS isn't saying.
Parents have to spend a lot on education and food and all sorts. If they don't get along and start being weight, then kicking them out and giving them a sense of the world should give them a jolt in the backside to get going.


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#30
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18 years of support is pretty damned good i mean do the math they have spent a small fortune on you.

Parents have a moral imperative to help their children, even when they are adults. It's called being a family.

It would appear that either the parents in question are retards, or there are more serious things going on. You don't just a kick a kid out into the world without teaching him everything he needs to survive, unless he is a total screw up.

Whatever the case, the kids in question need to find a support system and finish school. If they are economically independent and have no money, they may be able to get scholarships for post-secondary education. Residence at university should also provide opportunities for part time jobs.
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If they don't get along and start being weight, then kicking them out and giving them a sense of the world should give them a jolt in the backside to get going.
All of the "tough love" stuff might sound cool to you in theory, but in reality, if the kid has to drop out, or resort to illegal methods to sustain themself, how well did it really work out?
#33
Its a great way to lose respect, love and gain disdain for your parents if you've done nothing wrong to deserve getting kicked out.

Oh well. They'll become stronger for it in the long run for the immense hatred they'll gain from terrible post-parenting.
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Parents have a moral imperative to help their children, even when they are adults. It's called being a family.



Your opinion on moral requirements instills in me no deep and abiding need to make it my opinion.
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Quote by WhiskeyFace
You're your own guardian once you turn 18. But the fact that age isn't an accurate judge of adulthood shows that there's something wrong. I wouldn't know what they could do for an alternative though.
Technically, yes, but if you don't have a person's best interest in mind, why decide to become their guardian in the first place?
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And that's exactly why their legal guardians can do whatever they want.


But none of us can give a fair statement on the matter without all the details.
there could be more reasons TS isn't saying.
Parents have to spend a lot on education and food and all sorts. If they don't get along and start being weight, then kicking them out and giving them a sense of the world should give them a jolt in the backside to get going.

Parents shouldn't have the option to severely handicap their children like that.
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Your opinion on moral requirements instills in me no deep and abiding need to make it my opinion.

Then you are morally degenerate. People scoff at the idea of the erosion of family values, but here you have it. What great social benefits we will reap as a society with such thinking.
#38
First the kid who wants to drop out of school, now this. Good golly you people are depressing.
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Quote by herby190
All of the "tough love" stuff might sound cool to you in theory, but in reality, if the kid has to drop out, or resort to illegal methods to sustain themself, how well did it really work out?


Tough love is wonderful if you do it right.
You don't realise it yet, but at the moment your life is pretty sweet. You have a room, internet, a guitar etc etc.

Kicking people out is the best thing to get people going.
Find house mates, pay rent, slowly build up funds and move on to own flat.

They should really kick them out once they've got a full time job, or a job that pays enough to get themselves a flat and basics.
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