#1
Based on reviews I've read it seems like Epiphone guitars have a somewhat bad reputation and are not as "good" as Gibsons. I however really like the looks (and price tag) of Epiphone guitars and am considering buying a second one (I have a Junior). If a person could spend around 500 dollars or so, which is better for the price: a high-end Epi or a cheaper Gibson? Just want to get a few opinions. Thanks.
#3
What model? Which genre?
I prefer Gibson, I own 1997 Gibson Firebird. It is perfect made and has good sound and feel.
#4
A, Epi standard plus Les Paul is, in my opinion, a much better use of money than something like the Gibson studio. It may be Gibson with a barley audible sound difference, but the Epiphone looks much nicer.
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#5
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Ok, so I am "beating a dead horse." Can you explain how?
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#6
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What model? Which genre?
I prefer Gibson, I own 1997 Gibson Firebird. It is perfect made and has good sound and feel.


I'm sorry, I guess it was just sort of a general question (which I understand is hard to answer because it's so general, but my knowledge is really limited so I can't be that specific.)

As for genre, if it's leaning towards jazz, but could also play most other genres decently, that would be best.
#7
Quote by boredandlazy
Based on reviews I've read it seems like Epiphone guitars have a somewhat bad reputation and are not as "good" as Gibsons. I however really like the looks (and price tag) of Epiphone guitars and am considering buying a second one (I have a Junior). If a person could spend around 500 dollars or so, which is better for the price: a high-end Epi or a cheaper Gibson? Just want to get a few opinions. Thanks.

Hi, and welcome to the boards

500 bucks isn't gonna get you much of a Gibson, unless you're going for used, in which case in depends on your luck. In any case, a high-end Epi will be as good as or better than a low-end Gibson, if talking below the $1000 price range. It's a lottery with Gibsons, in any case, given their shoddy quality control. But you can outright forget getting the most out of your money with a $500 Gibson, chances are you'll get a bottom of the bucket guitar. You get what you pay for.
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Hi, and welcome to the boards

500 bucks isn't gonna get you much of a Gibson, unless you're going for used, in which case in depends on your luck. In any case, a high-end Epi will be as good as or better than a low-end Gibson, if talking below the $1000 price range. It's a lottery with Gibsons, in any case, given their shoddy quality control. But you can outright forget getting the most out of your money with a $500 Gibson, chances are you'll get a bottom of the bucket guitar. You get what you pay for.


Thanks, that answers my question perfectly. I was originally hoping to find a used Gibson, but I'd honestly I'm thinking about a new Epiphone as well. I will definitely not consider a lower-end Gibson going off your advice, since it sounds like I'd just be paying for the name.
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don't feed the troll

also, no vs. threads, so this should get reported...

its not really a "vs." thread its more a "which is a better deal" thread
how you word it makes all the difference
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#12
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Thanks for that useless two cents. I'm new here and don't have much knowledge on guitars so honestly, I don't know why what I've posted is such an offense. No one asked you to read this.


I'll give you another cents to think about.....

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1453190

Stuff like this was discussed 10000000000 times - with no result.

You have to decide - not we.

I like all of my Epis, I can afford Gibsons - I don't want to.
But it's me - and doesn't help you.

Go out play the guitars you like

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if it sounds good to your ears with your amp
if it feels good to your hands
and if it fits your wallet

...................buy it !

#13
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don't feed the troll

also, no vs. threads, so this should get reported...

Well, he joined today, and posted a valid question for someone who hasn't read the stickies or had time to check out the forum rules (I know it's the first thing he should do, but cut him some slack). This is named "vs" but it's hardly a "which is better" thread, more of a "what would be better for me" thread. Let's not get hung up on technicalities, he's hardly a troll by the looks of it.

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Thanks, that answers my question perfectly. I was originally hoping to find a used Gibson, but I'd honestly I'm thinking about a new Epiphone as well. I will definitely not consider a lower-end Gibson going off your advice, since it sounds like I'd just be paying for the name.

You're welcome. Yeah, that's the thing with Gibsons, you're still paying for the name anyway but with really low end Gibbys that's pretty much all you're paying for. You need to move up the price ladder in order for it to start being worth it. And Epiphones don't deserve all the bad rep they have in this forums, they're no $1000 guitar but are judged on those standards. You can get an amazing tone and feel from a modded Epi, I'd say go for it
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#14
Get a new melody maker. They have an explorer, a v, an sg and a paul I believe.
#15
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Get a new melody maker. They have an explorer, a v, an sg and a paul I believe.


I could never justify those things simply because with the jack placement, I'd break a cable within a month.

Anyway, I have a giant copypaste rant about this dead horse. I say giant and mean it though, so I want TS' permission to post it before I do?
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#16
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Based on reviews I've read it seems like Epiphone guitars have a somewhat bad reputation and are not as "good" as Gibsons. I however really like the looks (and price tag) of Epiphone guitars and am considering buying a second one (I have a Junior). If a person could spend around 500 dollars or so, which is better for the price: a high-end Epi or a cheaper Gibson? Just want to get a few opinions. Thanks.



lemme get this straight...you have read reviews...realized they have a rather shoddy rep...but still want to buy one based on the looks and the price? If I wanted to drop 200-300 bucks on a guitar for its looks...I'd get a dean or a BC Rich....

Not to say all Epi's are bad...some are quite nice..but you have to get more in the 800-1200 doller range for those...and why spend that much on an Epi when you can get something really nice for that ammount? An Ibanez or ESP?
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I could never justify those things simply because with the jack placement, I'd break a cable within a month.

Anyway, I have a giant copypaste rant about this dead horse. I say giant and mean it though, so I want TS' permission to post it before I do?


yeah i dont know what they were thinking with those jacks...

shame cos they look pretty cool
#18
I know I'm beating a dead horse by saying to go play both and see what you like. Studios can be pretty nice too but you'd probably be hard pressed to find a good used one for $500.
#19
For $500 used you're looking at a Studio Faded. You'd want to try before buy but if you resold it later you'd get your $500 back no problem. Gibson Pus are all better than Epi built PUs IMO. The Studios built before 2011 all came with HS cases, something that does not come with a similarly ($500 new) Epi. You can find a new EPI Std for around $400 but the PUs aren't that good and no case. If you step up to the higher end models '59 Ltd Ed etc. (>$1K)I believe you get really good PUs Classic 57s or SDs) and a case too.
In the end it's what you want to spend and what you want in a guitar.
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I know I'm beating a dead horse by saying to go play both and see what you like. Studios can be pretty nice too but you'd probably be hard pressed to find a good used one for $500.


No, you aren't beating a dead horse. This is the right answer to all of these goddamn "this-or-that" threads.

We, as a forum, cannot decide which guitar you like better. You have to do that, and if trying out one of these guitar involves getting in your car and driving to a guitar shop, then it involves getting in your car and driving to a guitar shop. If you don't have a car, then ride your bike, and if you don't have a bike, well, you probably shouldn't be buying a guitar then.

We cannot tell you what you want or need! Try out individual guitars, there is a lot of deviation in brands, and even in the exact same guitar models. It's not like guitars are M&M's that are exactly the same except for color. The only thing we can tell you that is not opinion are the same things you can find by searching a guitar manufacturers website.

So, get off your computer, go down to a guitar shop and try one out. It's the only way to know for sure.
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#21
Does it HAVE to be an Epi or a Gibson? You can expand your options by checking what else is out there. Other companies offer single-cut designs around $500. Agile, PRS, Ibanez, and LTD all offer singlecuts for a good price with good workmanship. Just trying to help.

But also what everyone said, in the end it comes down to what YOU prefer. Don't pay attention to what's on the headstock if all possible. What does it feel like in your hands? How does it sound? Is it comfortable? Because the name on the head isn't what you put in your hands- it's the neck. The name on the headstock also isn't what comes through your amp. Can you dig it?
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#22
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We, as a forum, cannot decide which guitar you like better. You have to do that, and if trying out one of these guitar involves getting in your car and driving to a guitar shop, then it involves getting in your car and driving to a guitar shop. If you don't have a car, then ride your bike, and if you don't have a bike, well, you probably shouldn't be buying a guitar then.

We cannot tell you what you want or need! Try out individual guitars, there is a lot of deviation in brands, and even in the exact same guitar models. It's not like guitars are M&M's that are exactly the same except for color. The only thing we can tell you that is not opinion are the same things you can find by searching a guitar manufacturers website.

So, get off your computer, go down to a guitar shop and try one out. It's the only way to know for sure.

this. i don't drive but i still manage to travel to find the guitar i'm looking for. i don't have a magic carpet, either. it's called "making an effort" and effort really does pay off.
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#23
I can't tell much difference between a high end Epiphone and a low end Gibson. I don't see how Gibsons are so much more expensive than Epiphones, even if the build quality and materials are better. I can see how they are more expensive, and Gibons are nicer guitars, but I fail to see how they're thousands of dollars/pounds more expensive. I just think you're paying for the name on the headstock more than the instrument itself.


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also, no vs. threads, so this should get reported...



Get that massive stick out of your arse. This is one of the only threads in this bloody forum that's getting any kind of activity. The rest of this forum's a fucking graveyard.
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#24
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Does it HAVE to be an Epi or a Gibson? You can expand your options by checking what else is out there. Other companies offer single-cut designs around $500. Agile, PRS, Ibanez, and LTD all offer singlecuts for a good price with good workmanship. Just trying to help.


Good copies of Les Pauls are Japanese guitars like Orville, Burny, Greco... Check em out.
Japanese Epiphones are good too.
#25
Quote by nickdohle
Get a new melody maker. They have an explorer, a v, an sg and a paul I believe.


I have not played the new crop of Melody Makers but I do have one of the 59 re-issues and it is a great guitar. It is the best no frills guitar on the market today at a great price and as an added bonus it is made in the USA.
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#26
Quote by necrosis1193
I could never justify those things simply because with the jack placement, I'd break a cable within a month.


Minor amount of common sense and a cable with a right angle end go along way.
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#27
I have a GIbson LP std. Just bought a Epi LP Custom. Replaced the whole inside electronics and put Seymour Duncan pickups in it so for a total of about $950, I have one kick ass axe comparible with my Gibson. I play the Epi more now
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