#1
I am buying a Gibson SG guitar in a couple of weeks however I have looked at and tried playing an SG standard, raw power, zoot and a special and cannot see much difference between them all, besides the price. Is there something that makes them all different?
#4
you cant tell the difference between a special and a zoot!?!?!
Are you blind?
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#5
Quote by RetroGunslinger
you cant tell the difference between a special and a zoot!?!?!
Are you blind?


Well yeah I noticed the colour!!! But I don't really care about colour of guitars, I want to look at how they play!!! I wasn't asking about that. XD
#6
A lot of the time the main difference is aesthetics but pickups, materials etc can be slightly different.

The difference between the SG Standard and the Special is fairly obvious, for example.

Look at the finish on the neck for a start. Whether this makes any difference to playability or whether its worth paying the extra £400+ or whatever it is to upgrade from Special to Standard is something you'll have to decide though.

One thing that is quite good though, if it bothers you, is that the cheaper Gibsonn SGs (i.e the Special) are still made in the USA, unlike the cheaper Fenders, which are made in Mexico
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#7
The biggest difference between most guitars is the price.
Companies want to make money, simple as.

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Their names.



For crying out loud, how hard is it to learn basic grammar? Is the education system that shit? There are people with English as their second language who speak it better than most people these days. Make an effort to not sound like a bloody simpleton and learn to speak your own language properly.

Fuck me. Bunch of illiterate cunts.
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#8
Well I think I'm looking at getting SG Special or SG Standard now, they seem very similar. I checked for any differences, e.g. the materials used, they seem to be the same. Just wondered if there were any other differences that guitar geeks would be able to point out
#9
Quote by BeefWellington
For crying out loud, how hard is it to learn basic grammar? Is the education system that shit? There are people with English as their second language who speak it better than most people these days. Make an effort to not sound like a bloody simpleton and learn to speak your own language properly.

Fuck me. Bunch of illiterate cunts.


I find this rather ironic, a rant about people not been able to use the English language properly in a statement littered with, what seems to be, every swear word the poster could think of.

Not particularly eloquent yourself are you?
#10
Quote by LivinJoke84
I find this rather ironic, a rant about people not been able to use the English language properly in a statement littered with, what seems to be, every swear word the poster could think of.

Not particularly eloquent yourself are you?



I'll swear as much as I fucking like, my friend.

Swearing's amazingly cathartic. Nothing beats telling a particularly irritating little twit to go and have sexual intercourse with himself in the most callous way possible.
I shall grant you three wishes.

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Does the above post enrage, offend or confuse you?

Good.


I like my women how I like my guitars. Curvy and like it when I finger them.
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#11
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I'll swear as much as I fucking like, my friend.


You can, im not here to tell anyone not to swear. I just found it a little ironic so many profanities were used while on your little soap box abut poor use of the English language.

To be honest its a moot point, this is an internet forum. If youre gonna get a bee up your arse everytime someone mis-types a word or incorrectly uses there/their/theyre then you'll end up with a whole hive up your backside before lunchtime.

And thats just today
#12
Quote by BeefWellington
The biggest difference between most guitars is the price.
Companies want to make money, simple as.


For crying out loud, how hard is it to learn basic grammar? Is the education system that shit? There are people with English as their second language who speak it better than most people these days. Make an effort to not sound like a bloody simpleton and learn to speak your own language properly.

Fuck me. Bunch of illiterate cunts.

I think I speak for many people here when I say SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN!
Seriously Last i checked this was the Internet, not a damn school test.

god damned grammar nazi's.
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#13
Quote by bektacula.
Well I think I'm looking at getting SG Special or SG Standard now, they seem very similar. I checked for any differences, e.g. the materials used, they seem to be the same. Just wondered if there were any other differences that guitar geeks would be able to point out


Ive got the SG Special and ive got no complaints whatsoever. Like all Gibsons, as far as im aware, its quite bassy so if your wanting to play hard rock/punk/etc then its the right guitar to go for.

Plus it looks cool as ****
#14
O...k.....
I've just joined this forum to get some advice, I especially need advice because I'm looking at information about guitars because I also have a severe spine condition and I need specialist guitars, hence picking gibson as I know they're light. I needed help not arguments.
People arguing are not helping..........
#15
Quote by LivinJoke84
Ive got the SG Special and ive got no complaints whatsoever. Like all Gibsons, as far as im aware, its quite bassy so if your wanting to play hard rock/punk/etc then its the right guitar to go for.

Plus it looks cool as ****


Thank you
Yes I'm looking at hard rock. And also looking at getting a bass too, but possibly looking at Epiphone bass?
#16
Quote by LivinJoke84
If youre gonna get a bee up your arse everytime someone mis-types a word or incorrectly uses there/their/theyre then you'll end up with a whole hive up your backside before lunchtime.



I say: "Bring it on".


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I think I speak for many people here when I say SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN!
Seriously Last i checked this was the Internet, not a damn school test.

god damned grammar nazi's.


Hush, quiet time.
I shall grant you three wishes.

None of which will work.


Does the above post enrage, offend or confuse you?

Good.


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#17
Quote by bektacula.
Thank you
Yes I'm looking at hard rock. And also looking at getting a bass too, but possibly looking at Epiphone bass?


You just starting out on guitar then?

What makes you want a bass as well?

The Epiphone Thunderbird is supposed to be a really good one for the money.

I would perhaps advise against playing bass guitar though if you say you have a back problem cos they weigh a tonne
#18
difference mainly lies in quality of wood used, type of wood used, type of pickups used, finish used.
standard for instance has a mahogany body which will give a darker tone more commonly associated with heavier rock while the raw power has a maple body which makes it snappier.
if the store you go to has all those guitars just ask to have them put in a room with a amp you have or an amp of the same level you have, and play every single one extensively. pick the one you think sounds and feels the best. guitars are just really subjective objects. i might play a stratocaster in store which i think is crap but the next guy could think it's his dream guitar, you get my point. gibson's site also has pretty accurate spec lists with every SG you could start by opening all those pages and comparing them next to each other for differences and then come back with more specific questions.
#19
Quote by LivinJoke84
You just starting out on guitar then?

What makes you want a bass as well?

The Epiphone Thunderbird is supposed to be a really good one for the money.

I would perhaps advise against playing bass guitar though if you say you have a back problem cos they weigh a tonne


No been playing a couple of years, apparently I'm ''killer'' on lead guitar. I'm starting a new music course and my tutor is having issues, we have 25 lead guitarists on the course, no bassists. So we've been told to learn bass aswell, for band practise. Need to alternate between who does lead and bass.
And yes, weight of guitars is very important. unfortunately. it's making buying equipment expensive!!!
#20
Quote by LivinJoke84

I would perhaps advise against playing bass guitar though if you say you have a back problem cos they weigh a tonne

Basses aren't all that heavy.

Be aware that most Vintage style basses will be extremely heavy so Epiphone, Fender, and Gibson will be heavy.

Ibanez SR basses are lightweights compared to them.
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#21
Quote by dark Mass
Basses aren't all that heavy.


Indeed, however I suppose lighter ones will cost more? Possibly? I'm finding lighter lead guitars cost much more. It sucks.
#22
Quote by bektacula.
No been playing a couple of years, apparently I'm ''killer'' on lead guitar. I'm starting a new music course and my tutor is having issues, we have 25 lead guitarists on the course, no bassists. So we've been told to learn bass aswell, for band practise. Need to alternate between who does lead and bass.
And yes, weight of guitars is very important. unfortunately. it's making buying equipment expensive!!!


Well if youre 'killer' on lead then it seems a waste to put you on bass (although im sure bassists might disagree)

To be honest, it all depends about how much cash youve got.

For the price of an SG standard you could get the Special and the Thunderbird i mentioned above. If you have that sort of money to play around with though i would probably put all my eggs into one basket and just get an awesome guitar (although i would say that as im biased towards the ol' six string) But at the end of the day the decision is ultimatley down to you
#23
Quote by dark Mass
Basses aren't all that heavy.

Be aware that most Vintage style basses will be extremely heavy so Epiphone, Fender, and Gibson will be heavy.

Ibanez SR basses are lightweights compared to them.


this and also take note of some of the short scale bass guitars they have a reduced weight too because of the shorter scale length.
#24
Basses made from basswood and sometimes alder are light.

Basses made from mahogany, bubinga, ash, and maple are going to be extremely heavy.
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#25
Thanks for all the advice on basses. Yes I think my tutor is aiming for me not to do bass too often, I just like to try and help out a bit. I also enjoy being versatile and want to be a 'well rounded musician', so will try bass. Might get me more marks on the course!! :P
#26
Quote by LivinJoke84
Well if youre 'killer' on lead then it seems a waste to put you on bass (although im sure bassists might disagree)

To be honest, it all depends about how much cash youve got.

For the price of an SG standard you could get the Special and the Thunderbird i mentioned above. If you have that sort of money to play around with though i would probably put all my eggs into one basket and just get an awesome guitar (although i would say that as im biased towards the ol' six string) But at the end of the day the decision is ultimatley down to you


well, I have enough to get an SG Standard, I can afford a 'top notch' one. I was just thinking, get a really decent one, or make more use of my savings and get either a cheaper SG model and a relatively cheap bass, or as you said, put all my eggs into one basket and get the expensive one. It's tough!
Also doesn't help that I'm not a guitar technology nerd, I don't understand the hardware too well. I just play! Should really learn about them more in depth :-\
#27
Quote by bektacula.
well, I have enough to get an SG Standard, I can afford a 'top notch' one. I was just thinking, get a really decent one, or make more use of my savings and get either a cheaper SG model and a relatively cheap bass, or as you said, put all my eggs into one basket and get the expensive one. It's tough!
Also doesn't help that I'm not a guitar technology nerd, I don't understand the hardware too well. I just play! Should really learn about them more in depth :-\


Yeah me too, i wouldnt be able to give you a run down of all the tech, it doesnt mean much to me.

Actually, contrary to what i said earlier, maybe you wont need to get the Standard. As i said, ive got the SG Special and i have no complaints really. If i was going to get another guitar i would get a Fender just so i had a pair of guitars with two very different tones.

What guitar(s) do you have at the mo?
#28
Quote by LivinJoke84
Yeah me too, i wouldnt be able to give you a run down of all the tech, it doesnt mean much to me.

Actually, contrary to what i said earlier, maybe you wont need to get the Standard. As i said, ive got the SG Special and i have no complaints really. If i was going to get another guitar i would get a Fender just so i had a pair of guitars with two very different tones.

What guitar(s) do you have at the mo?


Very bad choice, heaviest guitar I've played, it weighs about half a stone! BC Rich Warbeast and Fender which I don't use much. I do love the BC Rich but the weight and the tremolo system are bad.
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#30
Quote by BeefWellington
For crying out loud, how hard is it to learn basic grammar? Is the education system that shit? There are people with English as their second language who speak it better than most people these days. Make an effort to not sound like a bloody simpleton and learn to speak your own language properly.

Fuck me. Bunch of illiterate cunts.

Mate you're from Essex. Take a look around and you'll see the kidn of people who you're talking about.
JK, you're cool.

OT: the price, the names, the finish, the hardware, the electrics, the materials.
#31
Quote by BeefWellington
Swearing's amazingly cathartic. Nothing beats telling a particularly irritating little twit to go and have sexual intercourse with himself in the most callous way possible.


I almost cried laughing at this. ='D Oh my, I'm so immature...

Anyways, there's something with the Zoot Suit other than the paintjob, but I forget. The Raw Power's all-maple if I'm correct, so that's gonna sound a lot brighter, maybe even twangy(I've never played one so I'm not sure). As for the Special and the Standard, it's just the pickups and inlays I believe(there's an ever-so-slight wood quality difference too, but no biggie). And as for your back problem, Jackson makes an extra-light Soloist, the SLSMG. It has EMGs though, so you might want a pickup swap(oddly enough I have an EMG-equipped Schecter and I find the thing gives killer classic rock tones but the metal tone is fizzy and crappy...am I doing it wrong...? xD).
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