#1
So I am not sure wich head I should go for.
Would use for home use and jams with friends (Theres a drummers)

Choice #1 : Marshall Class 5 Head
Choice #2 : Trinity 18 Watt plexi Head (Marshall Clone)

Any of them would provide a good hendrix tone right? Considering im playing with a USA Fender Strat.

Wich of the 2 would work the best with my London Germanium fuzz? Or with a classic Fuzz Face?

18 watts too loud to crank for home use?
I know both of them needs to be at high volumes to really shine, to get that plexi tone but would a class 5 cranked be loud enough with a drummer? And wouldn't the 18 Watt plexi too loud?

If anybody owned a Marshall Class 5, do you like it? Im talking about the newer model, where there isn't any rattling.

Keep in mind, im looking for a late hendrix tone, not heavy distortion, clean with some overdrive and a fuzz to round it up.

Thanks
#2
Yeah, I think so. Marshall class 5 > Plexi thing.

But anyway, have you looked into the JCA20h?
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#3
Quote by Tim the Rocker
Yeah, I think so. Marshall class 5 > Plexi thing.

But anyway, have you looked into the JCA20h?


And for the Marshall Class 5, do you recommend a combo or Head + Cab?
Didn't read anything about the JCA20h.

Im looking for a plexi'esque sound, since its what hendrix used. And the only low wattage amp I could find was the Class 5. Theres some metroamp but they're out of my budget.
#5
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Clone! Get the clone!


Damn, I was going to go for the Marshall Class 5.

Its even now .... 1 - 1
Need more opinions!

I can't try the amps, they're not in stock
#6
I'd say get the clone.
If you want a Plexi sound, get an amp based on a Plexi.
No experience save youtube as far as Marshall is concerned, but IIRC the Class 5 doesnt sound that similar to a Plexi.
And 18W wont be that much of a volume bump over 5. Both are still hell loud, though the 18 might sound more defined and less compressed at high volume.
#7
i would get the clone. the extra wattage would be useful for those jams.

I haven't tried the class 5 though.

IME 18 watts is too loud to crank at home. 5 watts is too, but it's just-about-doable, whereas 18 watts is pushing it.

is there an option of power scaling or VVR? i have an 18 watt clone with VVR and it works well.
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#9
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i would get the clone. the extra wattage would be useful for those jams.

I haven't tried the class 5 though.

IME 18 watts is too loud to crank at home. 5 watts is too, but it's just-about-doable, whereas 18 watts is pushing it.

is there an option of power scaling or VVR? i have an 18 watt clone with VVR and it works well.


I currently play a cranked vox AC4TV at home, its 4watt. It sure is loud but its bearable.

Can I get a good cab for around 300$ for the plexi?
I heard 2x12 Avatar are pretty good, how much they cost?
#10
^ yep, exactly (regarding the 4 watts thing), that's how i'd put it too. The 18 watter is in a similar ballpark, but just that bit louder so the "bearable" turns into "not sure if bearable or not". LOL. depends on your playing situation, too.

i'm not sure about the US, but certainly in europe you should be able to get a pretty good cab for around $300. I'm guessing the US is no different, but I haven't tried things like avatar. Traynor has a couple of cabs loaded with greenbacks which might be worth considering too (but I haven't tried them either).
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#11
18 watt all day long. The Class 5 is a practice amp. The 18 watt is for grown-ups.

As for cabs, you can get a good cab for 300. The most bang for your buck is probably an Avatar G112 with a Greenback or a G12H30, which is $300 brand new. You can get more for your money used, of course, so you can get a decent 2x12 or a great 1x12 for that. Stay away from 4x12s and don't be afraid to get a 1x12 with a good speaker instead of a 2x12 with some crap ones.
#12
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#13
If I'd go with the marshall Class 5.
Would It be better to get the head and cab or the Combo?

When I bought my Ac4tv Combo, I tried the head and cab and both sounded really similar.

Marshall Class 5 Combo is probly around 500$ while the Plexi Head is 700 alone, thats also something I consider. I wish I could try the marshall class 5 to see how it sounds... I guess I'll search more youtube videos tonight
#14
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As for the combo/stack, I don't recall them sounding any different. Whichever one is cheaper, I guess. If you're looking at the Class 5, why not the Egnater Tweaker? It's a much better clean platform and actually sounds good turned up.
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As for the combo/stack, I don't recall them sounding any different. Whichever one is cheaper, I guess. If you're looking at the Class 5, why not the Egnater Tweaker? It's a much better clean platform and actually sounds good turned up.


The egnater can get a good ''plexi'' tone? Thats what im after.
Im tempted to get the Marshall Class 5 because when I was searching for a good low wattage plexi amp, people would point me the class 5 as a good alternative.
#16
The Class 5 doesn't even have a master volume. It's a low wattage Marshall, but it doesn't sound like a loud Plexi until it's too loud for at-home playing.

The Egnater has a ton of good tones (Not called the Tweaker for nothing!) and a Plexi is one of them. The master volume is good so you can get it to break up at reasonable volumes as well.
#17
Quote by Roc8995
The Class 5 doesn't even have a master volume. It's a low wattage Marshall, but it doesn't sound like a Plexi until it's too loud for at-home playing.

The Egnater has a ton of good tones (Not called the Tweaker for nothing!) and a Plexi is one of them.


Checking them right now, prices sounds alright, around 600$ for the combo.
I would use the Class 5 mainly for jams with friends, so I WILL crank it to the plexi sounds

I think the plexi clone would be too loud for my needs. I know It would be the perfect amp for an Hendrix tone but having to crank a 18 watt to 11o'clock `for it is a nono.

I'll check out the Egnater tonight when im at home.
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#19
the 18watter isn't a cranked plexi tone.

but 2 el84s will get you closer then the 1.

plexi tone is loud.
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#20
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the 18watter isn't a cranked plexi tone.

but 2 el84s will get you closer then the 1.

plexi tone is loud.


What would get me the closer to a plexi tone?
18 watt 50% volume or 5 watt max everything?

Checking out the Egnater Tweaker, not sure if I like it
#21
are there any 18 watt clones which have power scaling or VVR? that'd be the answer, best of both worlds. Or better yet a plexi clone with power scaling or VVR.

though that might take you well over budget. LOL.
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#22
Yea abit over my budget :P
What i'll do is go to a guitar shop and try out all the tube amps and if I don't like any I'll buy a marshall class 5 or something else online. The class 5 seems to have the perfect volume for me. ''Usable'' cranked at home and able to keep up with a drummer. My 4watt vox was kinda able to keep it with the drummer the other time, I'd just like a few more watts.
#24
Quote by AcousticMirror
the class 5 and the ac4 are the same watts...


I've been told that the Class 5 is much more louder even tho its only 1 more watt.
Thats why I'd like to try it out first... find out myself if its true
#25
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#26
1 more watt is not going to make it any louder. I dont think class 5s even have a plexi tone when maxed out
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#29
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5 watts isn't enough to keep with a drummer, IMO. My 18W can do it, but just barely.


Yeah i don't undertand when people say they jam with a drummer with 5W amps. i have a conservatively rated 15W amp and i basically put it on full blast to sit nicely in the mix.
#30
So hard to choose :/
I'll test a few amps at the guitar shop in my town and if none fits my need i'll prob go with the plexi clone. Dunno what to do lol
#31
Wait a moment -

do you want Hendrix's live sound, or his studio sound? He used different amps for both.

Live he used Marshalls cause they provided all the volume he needed.
In the studio he used Fenders and Voxes mainly. Plus several pedals.
I'll pretend I can mod your amp but break it instead.
#32
Quote by joe_k
Yeah i don't undertand when people say they jam with a drummer with 5W amps. i have a conservatively rated 15W amp and i basically put it on full blast to sit nicely in the mix.


I managed just barely with a Blackheart Little Giant once. Had to tell the drummer to pretend he was trying to play in a library though

5 watt amps are actually kinda fun to play with live if you have an iso cab and a PA system. Lets you crank up fo realz and manage the volume a lot better.
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#33
the 18 watt is a lot closer to a plexi tone than a class 5.

damn close for a el84 amp, it's just more usable.

i good fuzz in front wouldn't hurt for hendrix.
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#34
Quote by Dave_Mc
are there any 18 watt clones which have power scaling or VVR? that'd be the answer, best of both worlds. Or better yet a plexi clone with power scaling or VVR.

though that might take you well over budget. LOL.

The Valvepower 18W clone has VVR.:

http://www.valvepower.co.uk/18w_amp.htm
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#35
i love the 18w clone i built, i have a master volume on it as well as just the basic tone/vol, and you can get it pretty quiet, and at loud levels quite nasty.

its a killer amp though.
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#36
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i love the 18w clone i built, i have a master volume on it as well as just the basic tone/vol, and you can get it pretty quiet, and at loud levels quite nasty.

its a killer amp though.

It's only got one gain stage. Where is your MV, is it post PI?
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#37
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It's only got one gain stage. Where is your MV, is it post PI?


hmmmmmmmmmm never thought about that... here is the link to the layout, i am eager to learn.

turretboards.com their site is stupid because you can't post a direct link, somehow the url doesn't change page by page.

but go to amp kits > marshall style >18 watts > layout.

they dont have a actual schematic but this is the layout.
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#38
Yes, it's post PI. If you look at it, the MV goes between the grids of the two output tubes. So it just shunts some signal away. Those two lines are out of phase.
Hmm, interesting. Might have to try that. Too late for the latest amp but I could test it on that one and if it works maybe I'll put one on the next one.
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#39
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Yes, it's post PI. If you look at it, the MV goes between the grids of the two output tubes. So it just shunts some signal away. Those two lines are out of phase.
Hmm, interesting. Might have to try that. Too late for the latest amp but I could test it on that one and if it works maybe I'll put one on the next one.


cool, thanks for the education on that, as i am still by far in the learning process.
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#40
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The Valvepower 18W clone has VVR.:

http://www.valvepower.co.uk/18w_amp.htm


yeah, that's the one i have, though i don't know how much international postage might be (plus i don't know if they make a 110V version for the US)...
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