Why do students in NA have to pay so much more for university than Europe?

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#1
Let's just not look at England, Wales, and NI for this.


Or, in other words, how does Europe get away with this?

I'd like proper reasons, not just "because that's how it goes" and perhaps more than "because they are greedy bastards".

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#2
NA being North America? The difference is levels of privatization, I fail to see the complex issue here.
#5
I was under the impression that many European countries pay for a lot of students post-secondary education?


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University is free here, but finding an apartment in any university town is fucking hard, and horribly expensive.
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#8
Government pays for alot of it. Of course that's changing in England, but for the most part European governments get the bill for University education.
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yea but you only get financial aid if you dont have money in the first place
#10
brb paying nothing for 3rd level education
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NA being North America? The difference is levels of privatization, I fail to see the complex issue here.


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#15
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Government pays for alot of it. Of course that's changing in England, but for the most part European governments get the bill for University education.


So why don't America and Canada do the same?
#16
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yea but you only get financial aid if you dont have money in the first place

Thanks for reminding me that I'm a poor bastard.

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So why don't America and Canada do the same?

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#17
Easy, their taxes pay for their education more than ours do. What I mean is, when you are a student in Europe, the government is paying for most or all of your education. And the government gets it money through taxes.

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So why don't America and Canada do the same?
Have you seen how much debt the US has? Yeah, it's all well & good for people to say the government should pay for shit, but that money's gotta come from somewhere. And we don't even break even these days with our tax money. Yes, our government is retarded. Plus, most Americans like the idea of a privatized upper level education system, even if they do have to pay a lot.
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yea but you only get financial aid if you dont have money in the first place

Well there's academic scholarships and sports scholarships. They're merit-based rather than needs-based
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I hate the system of financial aid.... FAFSA ****ing asks me how much my dad made last year. Well, it's ****ing irrelevant, seeing as I'm paying for it myself

And yet, because he makes a good bit of money, I get no grants, and 2.5K in subsidized loans. Thanks a ****ton, FAFSA
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I hate the system of financial aid.... FAFSA ****ing asks me how much my dad made last year. Well, it's ****ing irrelevant, seeing as I'm paying for it myself

And yet, because he makes a good bit of money, I get no grants, and 2.5K in subsidized loans. Thanks a ****ton, FAFSA


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#21
It's a simple case of government. The USA is probably the most capitalist nation in the world, certainly in the west. One of the key principles of the Constitution is small government. In the UK, France, Germany, etc., we have far more central parties, who have embraced socialist concepts in the aim of fairness: in the US, you go to uni if you can afford to. In France, you go because your clever enough.

It's really based on different concepts of liberalism. Take the UK and the US, for example. Both are 'Liberal' nations, but both approach this in different ways. The US has 'negative' liberalism; the state intervenes as little as possible, and provides as few things as possible, so people are, in theory, free to act as they wish, provided they have the cash. The UK has 'positive' liberalism; the state provides for those who can't afford health care, or tuition fees, in the short term, and recoups the cost later through slightly higher taxation. This is known as 'equality of opportunity.
#22
Because we like to privatize everything and make it a business. The idea that higher education = $ has become natural to us and we have no bark in us to reform our education structure.
#23
Taxes cover the majority of the cost.
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#24
You have to pay more than £9000 on tuition fees alone?
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#26
Because in Europe, everyone who has a job pays taxes. The taxes funds everything from health care to education. Society pays for those who are unable to do so.
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#27
Holy ****, most of you don't know ANYTHING about the US education system.

1. The VAST majority of colleges in the US do not operate for profit, regardless of their public/private status.
2. Schools that do are HIGHLY regulated, and very cheap to begin with.
#28
College/university is really expensive everywhere. A lot of European country's governments pay for it. In the US we don't have that privilege. There is student aid but that mostly goes to minorities, poor people and really smart people leaving the average Joe like myself to foot the rather large bill.

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Holy ****, most of you don't know ANYTHING about the US education system.

1. The VAST majority of colleges in the US do not operate for profit, regardless of their public/private status.
2. Schools that do are HIGHLY regulated, and very cheap to begin with.


1. They're still very expensive to go to regardless of whether or not they operate for profit.
2. Define cheap for me. I've never seen a college that I'd categorise as cheap.
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#29
For example: In the Netherlands we are very socialistic and believe everyone, poor or rich, should have the same opportunities. Even the poorest individuals can accomplish on the highest level of education on universities. This is a great system, because it is fair. However it is very expensive and that is why we pay a lot of taxes (the richer you get the more percentage of your salary will be going to the government)
#30
We pay a lot less in taxes than Europeans do.
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#31
Within Europe it depends on what the government want to spend their budget on and some countries like to pay for Uni Fees some don't, For example in England everyone has to pay for Uni Fees but in Scotland it is free (as long as you have lived in scotland for at least 5 years.)

However the quality of Uni education in Northern America is the best in the world, keep that in mind and this is what partially contributes to the price.
#32
We have plenty of financial aid in the forms of merit and needs based scholarships. Plus, its moronic to paint the cost of universities in canada and america with the same brush.
#33
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Holy ****, most of you don't know ANYTHING about the US education system.

1. The VAST majority of colleges in the US do not operate for profit, regardless of their public/private status.
2. Schools that do are HIGHLY regulated, and very cheap to begin with.

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I hate the system of financial aid.... FAFSA ****ing asks me how much my dad made last year. Well, it's ****ing irrelevant, seeing as I'm paying for it myself

And yet, because he makes a good bit of money, I get no grants, and 2.5K in subsidized loans. Thanks a ****ton, FAFSA


Hooray for the middle class! I was in the same boat as you. I got a scholarship though.
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#37
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I hate the system of financial aid.... FAFSA ****ing asks me how much my dad made last year. Well, it's ****ing irrelevant, seeing as I'm paying for it myself

And yet, because he makes a good bit of money, I get no grants, and 2.5K in subsidized loans. Thanks a ****ton, FAFSA


Try my situation. My dad went from 150K salary to self-employed the year I was going into college. Guess what records they needed while I was applying for financial aid?
#38
Well, they may be more expensive, but they've got a more established system of scholarships, etc. So it's a bit shit, but attenuated by having been rubbish long enough for them to make it function. Plus all the potential benefits of market systems.

In the UK, we've got the worst of both worlds: expensive university without a system to cope with it.
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Well, they may be more expensive, but they've got a more established system of scholarships, etc. So it's a bit shit, but attenuated by having been rubbish long enough for them to make it function. Plus all the potential benefits of market systems.

In the UK, we've got the worst of both worlds: expensive university without a system to cope with it.


Most of my friends were able to pay most of their tuitions without having to take out loans. There are an absurd amount of grants and scholarships available in the US. My friend got a 2000 dollar grant for being an Arizona Native.
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Most of my friends were able to pay most of their tuitions without having to take out loans. There are an absurd amount of grants and scholarships available in the US. My friend got a 2000 dollar grant for being an Arizona Native.




Good point, old chap!

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