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Have you ever noticed how some countries before the E.U. were better off without it, and those countries are not like the Elites who are apart of the E.U. Such as France, and Germany. I'm talking more about the countries left a little off to sway in the east, but not too far east, but either way it is definite that, let's say when the Balkans subdued to the E.U. they became more in debt, and the E.U. was making more money from these countries lets say by a method of Predatorial Capitalism. For example, take Yugoslavia for instance (where I'm from) they relied on Social economics, and life was heaven, thing is, the difference between the West and former Yugoslavia was that when you have to die and then experience heaven, while if you were living in Yugoslavia it was heaven, everyone was happy and got along, it was only the West that demonized all of us as Genocidal idiots for their conquest of imperialism in the Balkans, and we (the Yugoslavian people) let it happen out of fear. Now more on topic, countries that become part of the E.U. become subjects of the E.U. and the "Post Modern, European products that they sell", which means prices of these products go up and the original RELIABLE industry that was already there was completely wiped out due to violent actions conducted by the west.

I'd like to point out another thing quite similar to what I'm trying to say but has more to do with the United States. When Albania gained "INDEPENDENCE" by the U.S. it never did. Notice how Albania basically became a militarized zone by the U.S. in order to control "ISSUES" in Kosovo over night...There's you're independence, and I honestly feel sorry for the Albanians because they only became subject to U.S. military practice.

On that note for those who care about this rant, I'd also like to point out that WE ARE NOT GENOCIDAL IDIOTS in the Balkans, it is the west that are the genocidal BIGOTS. The media fueled by so much hatred created a psychological image that people with ethnic differences in Yugoslavia or anywhere else NEVER GOT ALONG, when history it'self proves that people of ethnic difference, because we are ALL in the end HUMAN we do in fact get along, and we always did back when Yugoslavia was socialist during the time of Tito. Now I don't want to be close minded, Tito had to kill many to get what he wanted, and he did shake many hands to expand his conquest in the Balkans.....But lets compare that to the number of innocent people that were bombed in the Balkans, hoping to save some regime in Kosovo.....BOMBING HELPS NO ONE! It's also very funny that the west never fought Serbian troops head on.....At the end of the bombing, only 14 Serbian tanks (of old division) were destroyed, meaning their objective was not to destroy our arms (We even put decoys that cost as little as 200 bucks to replicate tanks and anti aircraft machines, accompanied by radio to decoy the U.N. high tech 100 million dollar missiles), what they did target, was our T.V stations, and primarily industry so that only after they may sell us our products. Funny thing is When Yugoslavia during Tito's rule was in debt of let's say 13 billion, the E.U. specified that this debt was somewhat of an outrage and didn't want to give us anymore loans......Now that Yugoslavia is separated in many countries, the E.U. pushes loans on all of us because they know we are too weak to have a say in it, and that our leaders souly rely on Western Powers.


That being said, enjoy the rest of you're day, if you agree you agree, these are hard facts of the corruption that has and still will be going on. Democracy is an easy way out and a hidden Authoritarianism.
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Ireland was shiit before and it's less shiit now.
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But hey European citizens get freedom of movement and no Importation tax if their receiving something from across Europe
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That being said, enjoy the rest of you're day,.


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Yugoslavia doesn't exist. Even when it did, it was rife with trouble.

Edit: Furthermore, you can't gauge the happiness of an entire country based on how much debt they're in.
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yeah you guys never had a history with genocide, oh btw hows Srebrenica going?
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yeah, cause you're an expert on Europe, TS.
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why the **** did you think this was a good place to post a possibly intelligent thing like that?

Also, why does everyone assume the Eu is evil? i admit the current string of right-wing election victories has changed it for the worst but it's not inherently evil, the orginal founders would probably be sshocked it has gerown so big and (relatively) powerful
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why the **** did you think this was a good place to post a possibly intelligent thing like that?

Also, why does everyone assume the Eu is evil? i admit the current string of right-wing election victories has changed it for the worst but it's not inherently evil, the orginal founders would probably be sshocked it has gerown so big and (relatively) powerful
Original founders? The EU was only made 15-20 years ago bro. They're probably all still alive.
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Ireland was shiit before and it's less shiit now.

We'll see how shit we can get when everyone below 30 with any qualification whatsoever leaves because they don't want to pay back 100 Billion to prop up French and German Bondholders.
If Ireland stays down the current road of being the good boy for the IMF and ECB then the country is so immeasurably fucked that the 70s will seem like the late 90s.
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We'll see how shit we can get when everyone below 30 with any qualification whatsoever leaves because they don't want to pay back 100 Billion to prop up French and German Bondholders.
If Ireland stays down the current road of being the good boy for the IMF and ECB then the country is so immeasurably fucked that the 70s will seem like the late 90s.


That's right people, Ireland is so screwed that time will warp!
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That's right people, Ireland is so screwed that time will warp!
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But if you are seriously confused, he's saying that things will get so bad that what we think as the height of tension Ireland during the 1970's will be like the milder late 90's in comparison to whenever Ireland goes to shit again.
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But if you are seriously confused, he's saying that things will get so bad that what we think as the height of tension Ireland during the 1970's will be like the milder late 90's in comparison to whenever Ireland goes to shit again.

I was talking more in terms of economics than violence (Ireland was shit poor in the 70s, Rich as fuck in the 90s). But you make a good point anyway, as unemployment rises here we are seeing more violence in the North, and this is a trend that will possibly continue.
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Pretty sure time will definitely warp. Nice job Ur_all_$h1t, you've messed up time itself!
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Just for the other side of the argument:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/so-what-has-europe-ever-done-for-us-apart-from-441138.html
Plus, with the economies of Newly Industrialised Countries (e.g China) growing tenfold to any of that in Europe, it is unrealistic that such as such small countries, that are on the decline has any hope of competing. Uniting with Europe however gives the possibility of actually sustaining their position on the world stage.

The fact that the Daily Mail is against the EU also tells you all you need to know...
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Just for the other side of the argument:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/so-what-has-europe-ever-done-for-us-apart-from-441138.html
Plus, with the economies of Newly Industrialised Countries (e.g China) growing tenfold to any of that in Europe, it is unrealistic that such as such small countries, that are on the decline has any hope of competing. Uniting with Europe however gives the possibility of actually sustaining their position on the world stage.

The fact that the Daily Mail is against the EU also tells you all you need to know...



That article is 4 years out of date.

You can tell because it says:
"3. Once poor countries like Ireland, Greece and Portugal prospering"

Those once poor countries are now financially ****ed for the forseeable future.
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For me the European Union sucks because it tolerates Greece's genocidal politic towards us Macedonians, it tolerates Greece's HUGE debt and now the euro will fall along with Greece's economy.

Sorry, it got a little personal for me there..
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why the **** did you think this was a good place to post a possibly intelligent thing like that?

Also, why does everyone assume the Eu is evil? i admit the current string of right-wing election victories has changed it for the worst but it's not inherently evil, the orginal founders would probably be sshocked it has gerown so big and (relatively) powerful

The original 6 countries joined together for economic benefits. Quite a few parts of the EU are non-democratic, and force rather non-democratic measures on certain member states, ie, Ireland, Greece, probably Spain and Portugal, etc.

They basically don't give a shit because they're too busy caught up chasing a dream.
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On that note for those who care about this rant, I'd also like to point out that WE ARE NOT GENOCIDAL IDIOTS in the Balkans, it is the west that are the genocidal BIGOTS.


I got this far. You can't argue against stereotypes by stereotyping. Anyone with half a brain cell in the West knows that not everyone in the Balkans is a genocidal idiot but anyone with half a brain cell in the Balkans knows that not everyone in the West is a genocidal idiot either. Every culture has its morons that manage to get into power.
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That being said, enjoy the rest of you're day, if you agree you agree, these are hard facts of the corruption that has and still will be going on. Democracy is an easy way out and a hidden Authoritarianism.



Missed this bit because the post was a bit mybrainisfulloffuck.jpg.


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In fact, the main criticism I'd level against the EU is precisely the lack of democratic accountability in it.
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Inb4 Zoot enters the thread and making a sweeping generalization about how the west is evil scum seeking to destroy the rest of the world for their benefit and then how he seeks to destroy major western powers for his benefit... with little to no factual backing of his claim.

Also inb4 Zoot's overwhelming ignorance/gov't out to get you/it's a conspiracy!/Kill all creationists!
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hes just a genocide denier.typical yuguslav just ignore him
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Okay I've went long enough not intervening, but your comment is the most ignorant. Have you read anything? Firstly the west demonized not just Serbs but the entire Balkans, you can't really argue a genocide was occurring because all of the Balkans were at war, on that note I'd like to explain what really happened at the Srebrecina massacre: The UN, didn't really demilitarized the zone, therefore they knew Serbian troops were going in to attack the place for strategical purposes, was it right, NO, but was it also right for the UN to not demilitarize the zone, before the attack on Srebrecina, because of the UN's actions the Bosnians were creating massacres of their own on Serbian villages around Srebrecina, thing is it is not genocide if it's open war. The only time in the 19th century GENOCIDE in the Balkans occurred was during when the Croatian Uctasa were given power by Nazi Germany and the Catholic Church (who were indeed working for/with the Nazis) and therefore set out a crusade worse then the Spanish inquisition to imprison all Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs(much of which were Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, and communist Greeks). Funny thing is no one really recognizes the slaughter that much today, you know why? Because Catholic power and Germany are important and essential to the world today....To think WWII was bad enough right? Another example similar to this was the Armenian Genocide not being recognized because Turkey, to the U.S being a priority.

So you sir, want to ignore all the problems and what truly happened, and therefore are too afraid to acknowledge the truth and would prefer to stick with the sea of lies that is floating about. So let's say you were put in the position and your nation, your people were put in a situation of demonization and the rest of the world would rather ignore the country and it's real issues, wouldn't you feel something towards that. Well I know some wouldn't care, but does that really make you the better or smarter person for that matter?
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^ Serbs were ethnically cleansing. Try looking outside your tiny little box that you exist in.
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EU sucks. I know that. I am very much against Norwegian membership, because I do not want Norway to fall into the shitter.
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I have red a bit of your post.

I live in Baltic region, life here was shit and still is shit too, but now that we're in EU i can emigrate easily!

I just wonder is it possible to get by in, say, Norway or Sweden with fairly good English (by get by i mean get some sort of job, at least til i learn their language).

I visited Norway few years ago, amazing country, whole Scandinavian region seams great
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^ Serbs were ethnically cleansing. Try looking outside your tiny little box that you exist in.



Once again, it's not ethnically cleansing, if Croats, Bosnians and Albanians were doing the same, it just means it's open war, like I said many of these places were cleared for strategical purposes, the term Ethnic Cleansing was that used by the Media to demonize our people because the west wanted everything from us because we were a strong independent nation before. Tell me this, why would we "Ethnically Cleanse" if we got perfectly along before Tito died? It was the West that started stirring up the hatred, primarily chairmen and foreign ambassadors of the white house who were dealing with criminals in Yugoslavia and the Wrong Leadership. So what you're saying is equivalent to the "ETHNIC CLEANSING" the U.S did to Iraq in order to get to the oil? Or is that different, next time read everything I say before you start pointing you're dirty fingers.
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