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OliNotDead!
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#1
im going for a tone thats a bit beyond metalcore but not as heavy as deathcore like a washed down deathcore such as old Bring Me The Horizon no store around me either youtube videos play some stupid classic rock so yeah haha i need help deciding
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either one will do exactly what you want to be honest. they just do it in different ways...
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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Recto = Huge tone, muddier, loose lowend (assuming we're talking about 3 channel ones here)

5150 = More focused tone, clearly, tight.


Just depends what you want. Go for a 2 channel Recto and you'll have the best of both worlds
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completely different amps

6505 is kinda the staple of metal/death core and is a very good amp for the money, it does that stuff very well. personally tho i find them a tad generic sounding

a Recto has a totally different character to it, and the best way to choose is to try them both out for yourself and see which you prefer tbh
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6505 is a generic as a Rec sound and vica versa.
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#6
Why the hell would you want your tone to sound like old bring me the horizon?

Its pretty horrid tone.

You'd probablys be happy with a 6505 and a dual recto with teh b00zts
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I find the triple recto to be very muddy, I dont like it.
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Not that huge of a difference OTHER than the triple will kill the 6505 in basically everything it does.
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#9
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Not that huge of a difference OTHER than the triple will kill the 6505 in basically everything it does.

I disagree.
I much prefer the 6505 to the Rec.
I've said it many times, and I stick by it.
I'm not a fan of the Recs. Too muddy and the low end is too loose for my tastes.
I prefer a JCM800 to everything else though.

TS, try out both amps and see what you like. You may like the Rec, you may not.
You may like the 6505, you may not.
Try 'em out and see which one you prefer.
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I disagree.
I much prefer the 6505 to the Rec.
I've said it many times, and I stick by it.
I'm not a fan of the Recs. Too muddy and the low end is too loose for my tastes.
I prefer a JCM800 to everything else though.

TS, try out both amps and see what you like. You may like the Rec, you may not.
You may like the 6505, you may not.
Try 'em out and see which one you prefer.

I was basically saying the triple is way more versatile, but also that it will rec a 6505+
Get it
But seriously it is personal preference I like 6505+ and 5150/6505s, but I prefer a mesa recto to them.
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6505 would be better if you're looking for gain - the Rectifiers aren't actually that high gain (compared to the 6505 anyway). They do sound big and heavy though.

Anyway, you're probably looking for modern tightness, so that pretty much rules out the Recto.
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6505 would be better if you're looking for gain - the Rectifiers aren't actually that high gain (compared to the 6505 anyway). They do sound big and heavy though.

Anyway, you're probably looking for modern tightness, so that pretty much rules out the Recto.

Rectifiers have a shit ton of gain
And sound pretty modern to me still
Most bands use boosts in front of both these amps anyways, or mod them.
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Not that huge of a difference OTHER than the triple will kill the 6505 in basically everything it does.

Hardly.

They are completely different sounding amps. The Recto might be more versatile, but it's also looser and muddier (3 channels)

I would gladly take a 2 channel Recto over a 5150, at the same price point, but comparing an amp that costs twice as much as the other is a little asinine.

FWIW, a 3 channel Triple Recto is quite possible the worst sounding amp I've ever heard in my life - So much so that I would take a Spider over it. The 3 channel Dual I had after it was significantly better, but was still very muddy and boomy. The 2 channels absolutely slay though, it's like night and day between the two. I dunno what Mesa was thinking when they "upgraded" those amps

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Rectifiers aren't actually that high gain (compared to the 6505 anyway).

WHAT!?

Rectos have MORE gain than 6505s, and a lot more that is completely unusable... unless you want a super muddy tone.
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Quote by MatrixClaw
Recto = Huge tone, muddier, loose lowend (assuming we're talking about 3 channel ones here)

5150 = More focused tone, clearly, tight.



What I came in to say. The biggest thing you should be worrying about is making sure you get a recto cab regardless, or at least not the stock 6505 cab.

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Hardly.

They are completely different sounding amps. The Recto might be more versatile, but it's also looser and muddier (3 channels)

I would gladly take a 2 channel Recto over a 5150, at the same price point, but comparing an amp that costs twice as much as the other is a little asinine.

FWIW, a 3 channel Triple Recto is quite possible the worst sounding amp I've ever heard in my life - So much so that I would take a Spider over it. The 3 channel Dual I had after it was significantly better, but was still very muddy and boomy. The 2 channels absolutely slay though, it's like night and day between the two. I dunno what Mesa was thinking when they "upgraded" those amps


WHAT!?

Rectos have MORE gain than 6505s
, and a lot more that is completely unusable... unless you want a super muddy tone.

O_O

WHAT!? And 6505's already have a shit-ton of gain to speak of. I'm kinda
and I completely agree on the 3 channel rectos. Not at all what I was expecting, considering I heard all that metallica (read as: fairly tight) was recorded using rectos and/or Marks. Did really enjoy the Mark V when I tried it though, very versatile.
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Quote by coolstoryangus
Why the hell would you want your tone to sound like old bring me the horizon?

Its pretty horrid tone.

You'd probablys be happy with a 6505 and a dual recto with teh b00zts

its preference man we are in the same band and personally i love their old tone so dont judge and give him your opinion on what amp will suit us....d#@n is it that hard? and i had a pretty good deal for a marshall jcm800 for 800 us dollars...will it suit our style? sorry nathan but im jacking your thread haha b$#@h!!! cheers
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I'm a Rectifier guy.. they aren't muddy if you don't over-do it on the gain (something you also must be conscious of with the 6505). I find the 6505s to be a little to fizzy for my liking. I like the thickness and chunk of a Rectifier. They both have very different characteristics. Both are fantastic amps.
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Quote by MatrixClaw

FWIW, a 3 channel Triple Recto is quite possible the worst sounding amp I've ever heard in my life - So much so that I would take a Spider over it.

You'd take a spider over this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGnWufCjso

It's just a triple rec with a boost. That's it. And it sounds fantastic.
(the intro in that video isn't a rec)
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You'd take a spider over this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGnWufCjso

It's just a triple rec with a boost. That's it. And it sounds fantastic.
(the intro in that video isn't a rec)

I have owned a 3 channel triple Recto before, so yes

The 3 channel dual I had sounded pretty good with KT-77s in it though, but there was absolutely no clarity in that amp when it comes to chords
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that video seems to have a good bit of clarity. maybe you just haven't owned enough high end amps MC


trolololol
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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that video seems to have a good bit of clarity. maybe you just haven't owned enough high end amps MC


trolololol



To be fair though, I didn't even watch the video until now

I like big, dissonant chords that incorporate the top string in drop tunings - The 3 channels just do not have the clarity to pull those off, and he never plays any in that video.

I did like the cleans from the Stone Sour song he did, though


Also, to be fair - I never even tried the 3 channel Triple with a boost, because it just sounded like so much ass without one that I didn't feel like it was even worth trying I hate amps that need a boost to sound good.
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hahahaha. it's weird that amps like that can go from worthless to worth 1000 or so by putting a tubescreamer in front lol.
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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hahahaha. it's weird that amps like that can go from worthless to worth 1000 or so by putting a tubescreamer in front lol.

True story.

That was the case with the Bogner Uberschall for me. Cool amp for some looser hard rock tones by itself, but nothing I'd use. With a boost, it became pretty beastly - Too bad it also got super noisy

I dunno, call me crazy... but I don't want to spend 2 grand on an amp just for it to only sound good with a $100 pedal pushing it
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you....spend 2000 on an amp? doubt it. lololol

yeah i mean if i'm going to buy a 2000 loose muddy amp, it better take a klon or something to tighten it up. none of this non-true bypass, non-boutique, non-vintage, non-expensive crap
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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you....spend 2000 on an amp? doubt it. lololol

yeah i mean if i'm going to buy a 2000 loose muddy amp, it better take a klon or something to tighten it up. none of this non-true bypass, non-boutique, non-vintage, non-expensive crap



I feel like this conversation is going nowhere quickly.

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i'll facebook you or something haha. or google+, it preserves teh toanz
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWer6vLy_i4


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EDIT: On a more serious note, any idea how he gets that sound? Every other vid ive seen has a much harsher grain to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebaRe2AOOA&feature=related

This oens a more realistic video of what to expect.

Btw its a two channel
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i think all the feared clips sound the same haha. he just has one sound he goes for, and pretty much gets it with every amp. i'm sure he does a lot to the tracks before uploading them
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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Well guys, the words of Ola Englund himself:
"IMO I don't think that one is tighter than the other. I've never bothered to much about which version of the rectifier to get. They're all GREAT!"

He has owned/played both, get's great tones, and really knows what he's doing. If HE doesn't notice too much of a difference.. then.. i don't know.

There's a video comparing the Dual and Triple recto that sound really great on youtube without a boost or anything. IMO the Triple actual sounds only slighter better/fuller but not by much.

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-txiKWJt6M

edit:
well it wasn't as great as I remember but oh well
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the 6505+ is what bring me the horizon actually uses and was used to record count your blessings so it can get extremely close to their sound if thats what you want.
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Quote by Ignite
Well guys, the words of Ola Englund himself:
"IMO I don't think that one is tighter than the other. I've never bothered to much about which version of the rectifier to get. They're all GREAT!"

He has owned/played both, get's great tones, and really knows what he's doing. If HE doesn't notice too much of a difference.. then.. i don't know.

There's a video comparing the Dual and Triple recto that sound really great on youtube without a boost or anything. IMO the Triple actual sounds only slighter better/fuller but not by much.

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-txiKWJt6M

edit:
well it wasn't as great as I remember but oh well



I wouldnt say theres no difference- the Triple always sounded slightly flubbier to me
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#36
Quote by InanezGuitars44
i think all the feared clips sound the same haha. he just has one sound he goes for, and pretty much gets it with every amp. i'm sure he does a lot to the tracks before uploading them



Why don't you learn how he does it, here, I'll give you his video lesson on how he records.

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Quote by Ignite
He has owned/played both, get's great tones, and really knows what he's doing. If HE doesn't notice too much of a difference.. then.. i don't know.

I really don't trust the opinions of anyone from the Sneap forum anymore.

After hearing them almost unanimously say that EMGs are amazing and BKPs suck, I've pretty much lost faith in their ability to hear anything other than generic metalcore. Not only that, but I had a 3 day long argument with some guy on there about how the 5150 and 6505+ sound quite different in voicing. He said it sounded the same as the 5150, AND he also said that the bias sweep of the 6505+ is high enough to cook up your tubes (when in reality, even running it at full shouldn't be high enough).

People on that forum might know how to mix and record, but they don't know shit about unprocessed guitar tones.

That and Ola listed the Line 6 Spider IV in his "Top 10 Best Metal Amps" in one of the threads I was reading the other day, based off of what he's owned and heard
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if its a 2 channel recto, get it. if not the 6505 is probably a better choice.

the 3 channel rectos are still good i think, i can get very usable and clear tones out of mine even with stock tubes, but most people still dont like them. 6505 is a safe bet, but is a tad generic sounding IMO
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6505 is a safe bet, but is a tad generic sounding IMO

And a Recto isn't?
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And a Recto isn't?


recto's are rare in comparison, and every metal band seems to use a 5150 or some derivative of that amp these days
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