#1
I joined this site recently to get a few tips on gear and theory and half the time I ask a question I get some rude response. The other half I get what I want from somebody who sounds like a modest person who wants to share knowledge.

I'm the first to admit I have a lot to learn. But many here write paragraphs and paragraphs of blabla on how much theory they know and how much the other guy lacks.

So, I'd like to hear some resume's (CVs). Where did you study? Where did you learn so much? This way next time I ask for knowledge I know who to trust and who to ignore...
#2
Quote by gypsyblues
I joined this site recently to get a few tips on gear and theory and half the time I ask a question I get some rude response. The other half I get what I want from somebody who sounds like a modest person who wants to share knowledge.

I'm the first to admit I have a lot to learn. But many here write paragraphs and paragraphs of blabla on how much theory they know and how much the other guy lacks.

So, I'd like to hear some resume's (CVs). Where did you study? Where did you learn so much? This way next time I ask for knowledge I know who to trust and who to ignore...



What's with the rude response? Are you hiring me? I don't need to post a resume. You're the one with questions. We've been here a long time helping people, but we also sift through those who aren't helping themselves and want a guitar teacher by proxy. I'm not saying that's you. I don't know if that's you. I don't know you. And that's the rub. This isnt a vending machine, its a community full of people.

If you show that you are investing into your own development, and being wise, then, you'll find the responses will change towards your favor. But Prima Donna demands, that we show our credentialia, reveals a very self centered post. If you are going to play with that kind of attitude, then it's going to be rough going for you.

Show us what you've done on your own, before taking shots at who ever hasn't helped you enough. Often times people are no where near prepared for the answers they seek. Show a little humility, gratitude and some common respect, and assimilate into the forums a little bit and let people know you, and see what happens. Just don't be a tool.

I've seen requests for links to arpeggio studies and videos - that's not a theory question. That's technique and may be better suited for a different forum. If you've already watched others, then invest into something. Do you're own research.

You mention Byzantine scales and Locrian, but show no cognizance as to what to do with them, or if you even understand the function of modes at all.

So, just in 2 posts you've shown nothing of your own initiative into learning and developing yourself. If I percieve someone's being lazy I'll call them out or just ignore them. If I saw you post. "Hey, I've discovered that arpeggios are chord tones and I've worked out triads and 7ths, but when I get into extended voicings, I'm falling flat. What do I need to study to get a better handle on this"...then it shows you're applying yourself.

I'm a teacher. I teach people to "fish", I don't hand out "fish" to those who are hungry. But I'll help those who show an initiative to learn, but if someone is looking for the filet mignon in the skid row soup kitchen line, I'm not gonna bother.

I know what I can do, I know what I'm willing to do...question is, what are YOU willing to do to invest into your own development? You get what you put into it.

Best,

Sean
Last edited by Sean0913 at Jun 30, 2011,
#3
Good idea to find a good instructor in your area. They can explain and show you how to do things. Bunch of blowhards here. There is some very good information, but hard to understand just from reading.

Your title, how long before some replies with a 'toilet' post....

Edit: you make a good point. Just read the posts, dont ask questions. Nice post Sean, prime example
Last edited by siksofus at Jun 30, 2011,
#4
Quote by Sean0913
What's with the rude response? Are you hiring me? I don't need to post a resume. You're the one with questions. We've been here a long time helping people, but we also sift through those who aren't helping themselves and want a guitar teacher by proxy. I'm not saying that's you. I don't know if that's you. I don't know you. And that's the rub. This isnt a vending machine, its a community full of people.

If you show that you are investing into your own development, and being wise, then, you'll find the responses will change towards your favor. But Prima Donna demands, that we show our credentialia, reveals a very self centered post. If you are going to play with that kind of attitude, then it's going to be rough going for you.

Show us what you've done on your own, before taking shots at who ever hasn't helped you enough. Often times people are no where near prepared for the answers they seek. Show a little humility, gratitude and some common respect, and assimilate into the forums a little bit and let people know you, and see what happens. Just don't be a tool.

Best,

Sean



Yup, you're one of the guys I'm talking about. Thanks bud, you just convinced me to stop wasting my time with this site. I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.
#5
Hey, this is UG...


Not www.freeuserfriendlyadvicefromfriendlypeoplewhoknowalotabouttheoryandgear.com
#6
Just know that any perceived rudeness is not directed towards you as a person. This forum gets a lot of the same questions and misunderstandings day in and day out, so you must understand that the people who have been here longer have become jaded about having to sort these people out all the time.

The idea of submitting a resume to prove ourselves to you is absolutely preposterous. There's no such thing as a sure thing in this world and I suggest you get used to it. Furthermore, just because somebody studied at a conservatory doesn't make them any better at this than you or anybody else. They might have been a terrible student who barely passed; maybe they were ****ing the teacher; maybe they graduated then subsequently ruined their mind through a 30-year crack binge. You can't guarantee anything by obtaining people's histories.

The way to evaluate people in this situation is to observe. Who is getting contradicted in every post? Who do others support? How well is each argument constructed? It'll take time to learn who to trust, you just have to pay attention. To steer you in the right direction, I'll put in a good word for AeolianWolf, Sean[whatever his number combo is] and AlanHB.
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#7
Quote by gypsyblues
Yup, you're one of the guys I'm talking about. Thanks bud, you just convinced me to stop wasting my time with this site. I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.


Good idea. Now we both know at least know who is a tool.
#8
Quote by gypsyblues
Yup, you're one of the guys I'm talking about. Thanks bud, you just convinced me to stop wasting my time with this site. I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.

lol, actualy Sean is one of those people that knows their shit.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, i'll be sure to enjoy mine superior-to-yours-skills-and-knowledge that i gained, and will gain in the future from MT and my personal teacher irl
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#9
A lot of people know their theory here, sean being one of the most knowledgable in my books. and as he said, he doesnt give straight answers, he explains how to get to those answers. A lot of good itll do you if you know the answer to one question, but not how to figure it out so you can help yourself.
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#10
Quote by gypsyblues
Yup, you're one of the guys I'm talking about. Thanks bud, you just convinced me to stop wasting my time with this site. I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.


I think that's the right choice. There's maturity that not everyone can handle here, and you will probably be better finding a place that is as substantive as you are.

Best,

Sean
#11
+1 to everything that has been said.

The idea of people posting little resumes, just to suit you, is pretty laughable. If you have asked a question on gear or theory, I guarantee that the older members of this forum will have seen it a million times over.

People are giving you their advice for free. True, you get some halfwits and/or trolls, but the vast majority of people on here know their stuff, especially the regulars in this sub-forum.

You need to appreciate the fact that real people are giving up their precious time and effort, answering your whiny little demands, and you should show respect to others, before it is given in return.
#12
Quote by gypsyblues
I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.


Ya know, the Ramones had this one song...oh, what was it called... ? Oh yeah! "Glad to See You Go."
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#13
This is a freaking public forum, dude. *reported*
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#14
Quote by Sean0913
I think that's the right choice. There's maturity that not everyone can handle here, and you will probably be better finding a place that is as substantive as you are.

Best,

Sean


The guy just made a correct and observant comment, and all you did was tell him what an idoit he is. You are an instructor and mentor, respond like one. After reading your self-serving replies, i would not let you metor my garbage can. YOU need to mature.
#15
Quote by siksofus
The guy just made a correct and observant comment, and all you did was tell him what an idoit he is. You are an instructor and mentor, respond like one. After reading your self-serving replies, i would not let you metor my garbage can. YOU need to mature.


you sure you responded to the right person?
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#16
Quote by siksofus
The guy just made a correct and observant comment, and all you did was tell him what an idoit he is. You are an instructor and mentor, respond like one. After reading your self-serving replies, i would not let you metor my garbage can. YOU need to mature.


1. What is the "correct and observant comment" that he made?

2. Where did I tell him he was an "idiot"?

Think what you like about me, I'm okay with that. I'm just seeking to understand the above questions based upon the comments you made.

Best,

Sean
#17
Quote by gypsyblues
Yup, you're one of the guys I'm talking about. Thanks bud, you just convinced me to stop wasting my time with this site. I actually take classes with real teachers so I'll just stick with that and leave the guitar nerd talk for guitar nerds. Cya.

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#18
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Ya know, the Ramones had this one song...oh, what was it called... ? Oh yeah! "Glad to See You Go."

There is also one called hey stoopid by Alice Cooper.
#19
*sigh*

My two cents:

I'll only post a mini-synopsis of my so-called "resume" to give context to what follows. I have an honours degree in classical guitar, a bachelor of Education, an honours specialist in instrumental music education, and an Ontario Teachers' Certificate which certifies me to teach music from grades 4-12, among other things. I have been teaching in the public school system for 15 years.

I used to post all the time in the theory threads when I first started here. I don't anymore. Part of being successful is managing your time, recognizing where your "niche" is, and letting others do what they do best. I post in the bandleading threads, copyright threads, business threads, recording and singing. There aren't *that* many of us who are all that knowledgeable about many of those things.

I don't post in the theory threads anymore because there are SO many people here who contribute on a very regular basis who are very well informed and thoroughly knowledgeable. Those people make this particular subforum easily among the best places on the net to get a theory question answered, and answered clearly, and answered thoroughly.

To pass that off is the old "cutting your nose off despite your face" trick, and the only person that hurts is you.

If you are finding people impolite, then don't feed the trolls. Some people might be knowledgeable, but might not be the kind of person you want to hang out with. That's fine.

If you are finding people downright rude and disrespectful, or antagonistic, or insulting, then report the thread. That's what us mods are here for. Admittedly, my life has been in fast-forward these last couple of weeks, so I haven't been checking my "reported threads" emails as much, but I'm back on that now that my life is a little more relaxed again.

Finally, remember that communicating in a text-only format makes it more difficult to determine many of the nuances that facilitate person-to-person conversation - intonation, body language, etc. As much as you are complaining about people being rude, others are complaining about you being pompous.

Are you? Or is it fair to say that that criticism is more the result of how others are interpreting your online written presentation? In other words, if we knew you, would you still be labeled as such? Sure, those are rhetorical questions, but I ask them to make a point. Maybe it is a two-way street. Maybe you are assigning negative attributes to people's characters that you would not otherwise assign to them in another context.

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#20
Just to follow up: Where is this hostility and negativity that you speak of? I looked through a month's worth of musician talk threads that you have started, and haven't found anything all that objectionable, and you have gotten lots of good advice.

I must say, maybe you're taking some stuff too personally?

CT
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I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

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#21
Quote by axemanchris
Just to follow up: Where is this hostility and negativity that you speak of? I looked through a month's worth of musician talk threads that you have started, and haven't found anything all that objectionable, and you have gotten lots of good advice.

I must say, maybe you're taking some stuff too personally?

CT



What is this "CT" you leave after everything you say?
#22
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What is this "CT" you leave after everything you say?


judging by his username C stands for Chris
T- his last names first letter

initials, in short
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#23
/\ Oui, monsieur!

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Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

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#24
Quote by gypsyblues
I joined this site recently to get a few tips on gear and theory and half the time I ask a question I get some rude response. The other half I get what I want from somebody who sounds like a modest person who wants to share knowledge.

I'm the first to admit I have a lot to learn. But many here write paragraphs and paragraphs of blabla on how much theory they know and how much the other guy lacks.


Welcome to the internet.


Quote by gypsyblues

So, I'd like to hear some resume's (CVs). Where did you study? Where did you learn so much? This way next time I ask for knowledge I know who to trust and who to ignore...

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#25
Chris Tucker!?!?!



Even if we submit resumés how the hell are you going to evaluate them?

Anyway, there's a number of professional teachers and players posting regularly. Pay attention and it should be obvious.
#26
Quote by siksofus
The guy just made a correct and observant comment, and all you did was tell him what an idoit he is. You are an instructor and mentor, respond like one. After reading your self-serving replies, i would not let you metor my garbage can. YOU need to mature.


I agree that sometimes sean will offer his services. But its not a bad thing. He needs to make a living.

But at the end of the day, sean answers the question being asked, and its very knowledgeable. he offers the services if help is needed and its usually his free mentoring.

As for the whole resume thing... How would you tell?

I graduated from julliard.
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#27
I have to say that I agree with this guy.....I've recommened this site whole-heartedly to about 6 people (mostly the members of my band and friends) and out of the 6, 5 of them came back to me complaining how rude and ignorant the members of this site are....

Go ahead and check my profile (since most of you will)....well, before you do I'll flat out tell you that 99% of them are "what amp" threads....I'm new to the amp worlds, music theory world and what some people like to call "Music Land"...but that isnt an excuse to be blatant and flat out rude to people.

I know there are people on this site that are on it damn near 24/7 (Gregs, I'm looking at you) and I know there are people on here that post up the most obvious, redundant, boring sh*t 24/7....I'm one of them....But honestly, one of the friends I recommended this to made a thread about bass amps or something about that and he said that some guys on here were flat out insulting...and I can vouch for him...

Thats my .02$

I respect the guys on here that try to help and DO help...you have alot of patience haha. But to the guys that wake up, log on, and flame the hell out of random post...those are the people that need to be kicked from Ultimate-Guitar...because it truely does give the site a bad name, when in actuality its one of the better learning tools on the internet.


Feel free to flame me or whatever you want...I take classes now and and rarely post up on this site now (aside from about 15 minutes ago)...I probably won't return to this thread after this post...

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#28
This is a stupid thread to start. On this forum there is a lot of experts, a lot of people who are semi-experts and some people who are idiots. ... If you wanna complain, make sure you do all you can before you "complain" or "ask for peoples CV" which some people may find insulting that you feel you need "proof" before you accept their FREE advice... By doing all you can I mean, stuff like, Maybe use the search button? Or look at threads started by or posted in by the people giving you advice?

Do your research, don't just be rude and ask people for their background history. This is free, online, community where people are free to ask questions and get responses.
#29
I've never had any rude experiences here on UG... So you don't hear me complaining. But I do think you were a little to harsh for the guy. I don't think he meant it that way. He didn't taught it through. He surely wouldn't have opened this thread if he knew you were going to react this way or felt offended or anything.

What I'm sure about: if sean didn't react (as first), comments would be a lot different. I 100% approve the first message of soviet_ska, NOT his second (or any related) (other reason is that my English isn't good enough to understand what sean is exactly saying).

Correct:
Quote by axemanchris
Finally, remember that communicating in a text-only format makes it more difficult to determine many of the nuances that facilitate person-to-person conversation - intonation, body language, etc. As much as you are complaining about people being rude, others are complaining about you being pompous.


Last: Please close this thread.
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#30
Unless... oh my god....



But, I doubt it since the TS has alot of threads started... didnt actually look into any of them... but....

I think troll slayer awards are necessary? Can i haz award?
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#31
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I have to say that I agree with this guy.....I've recommened this site whole-heartedly to about 6 people (mostly the members of my band and friends) and out of the 6, 5 of them came back to me complaining how rude and ignorant the members of this site are....

Go ahead and check my profile (since most of you will)....well, before you do I'll flat out tell you that 99% of them are "what amp" threads....I'm new to the amp worlds, music theory world and what some people like to call "Music Land"...but that isnt an excuse to be blatant and flat out rude to people.

I know there are people on this site that are on it damn near 24/7 (Gregs, I'm looking at you) and I know there are people on here that post up the most obvious, redundant, boring sh*t 24/7....I'm one of them....But honestly, one of the friends I recommended this to made a thread about bass amps or something about that and he said that some guys on here were flat out insulting...and I can vouch for him...

Thats my .02$

I respect the guys on here that try to help and DO help...you have alot of patience haha. But to the guys that wake up, log on, and flame the hell out of random post...those are the people that need to be kicked from Ultimate-Guitar...because it truely does give the site a bad name, when in actuality its one of the better learning tools on the internet.


Feel free to flame me or whatever you want...I take classes now and and rarely post up on this site now (aside from about 15 minutes ago)...I probably won't return to this thread after this post...

Cheers from Kentucky!


I think it depends upon the forum. If he came into this forum asking about bass amps, it was probably not the best place to ask. But if you ask opinions on gear youre going to hear a ton of opinions and get plenty of unasked for attitudes at times. that's a reflection on the person giving attitude more than it is your friend.

I think we tend to police this place against guys that just flame others without cause. In a sense that's what the guy that posted about did. if you look at his history here he's spent no time firing off questions here. This is a community, and when you treat it as such and not your personal dial-an-answer service, you'll get farther. That's reasonable, isn't it?

But flaming off and asking who knows their stuff, that's just crass, and backwards at getting anywhere. There are plenty of people that come in here asking for handouts, and there are plenty of people that will give them that handout.

From my perspective as a teacher, I cant just go and answer their questions, because its part of my teaching nature to want to encourage someone to take the bull by the horns, and instead of passively asking for the answers, they are asking questions while in the motion of learning, and are just stuck. I know those guys, I was that guy.

But to sit here hand out and just expect that we are a more defined version of Google for Music Theory for Guitarists, well while that works for some, it doesn't work for me. I cant give answers wholesale...why? Because I have many who pay and invest time into building a foundation that can sustain that information. Its not so much about making a living, its about honoring those who have shown up committed to the process enough to pay for it. I've been so busy teaching this stuff for the last 6 years I didn't have TIME to write a website. That's the kind of living I was making, I wasn't remotely going hungry. Finally, I had to force myself to stop for about 3 weeks and focus only on developing and building and launching my site. I was never going to get it done otherwise. But, it wasn't because I was going hungry, it was because I had so much work that I was never going to find the time if I didn't force myself to hit the pause buttons. I didnt teach I didn't work, I tucked in like a hermit and learned as much as i could about the different things that I needed to do to get off the ground. And when I got that site up, it was hideous looking. This is like my 3rd site makeover, but at least it was up and people were starting to learn the content. So...lest you think that its all about money....it's not.

Again, my stuff's...not on the internet. The internet has its ways, I'm not rehashing any of what's out there or in here. You've all got those places, have at it...but me, this is my own stuff and I teach it to those who invest, so I can't "teach" these guys in UG, like everyone else. That's a slap to those who paid for the opportunity. Every person has the ability to work with me here, whether by me helping them, as a student of mine, or as an apprentice that I am mentoring, I offer a certain kind of help, regardless. There are plenty of students in this foum right now, and I'm not going to ask them to speak up in defense of this, but I do believe that as they read this they understand exactly what I'm saying when i tell you, that my situation with how I can answer is a lot different because guys like that pay. Why should they have to pay, if I'm going to turn around and tell newguy101 everything that these guys are paying for?

If you understand what I'm saying, great, but if all this went over your head, there's not much more I can do. I'm not doing it to push people into lessons, I'm doing it because I have to. It's not being elitist, territorial or a jerk.

Best,

Sean
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#32
Kudos sean, its your teaching method that inspired me back when I asked about teaching. (which I've been meaning to ask you questions about some things.)

Anywho, I think that since this guy has said he isn't coming back, lets close the thread.
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#33
Quote by gypsyblues
So, I'd like to hear some resume's (CVs). Where did you study? Where did you learn so much? This way next time I ask for knowledge I know who to trust and who to ignore...

Dude what makes you think that you are so great that we should give you proof that we know what were talking about? I totally know your frustration but really man this is a public forum that anybody can join, that being said you will get all kinds of responses from people with different intelligence levels when it applys to music. Don't get mad at them, change where your getting your information. As a suggestion generally if you actually PAY for the knowledge it is legit, when people give knowledge freely and willingly you have no control over what kind of quality you will get.
Take it easy man, getting info for free takes some sifting and refining but youll eventually find solid advice.
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#34
Yeah I'm going to close it. I can understand how people may take offence when they come to this forum with certain views, only to have them destroyed by the members of our small community. However to realise that you're wrong isn't a reason to take offence, it's just a way that some people deal with it. Another way to deal with it is to accept you're wrong, and find out why and learn from this. There are many situations where you'll find out that you're wrong, and you'll have to be more open to the possibility of it occurring in the future.

Closed.
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