#1
Hey i recently bought a Emperor cab from a friend of a friend who told me i had celestion v30 speakers in the cab. I finally opened it up and i have WSG speakers, 12" Veteran 30 - 60 watts. A link to the speakers is here.

http://wgs4.com/content/vet30

I noticed the price of these are alot cheaper than celestion v30's, Did i get ripped?!?!
#2
Depends on how much you paid. WGS is cheaper than Celestion, but much, much higher quality--I can think of no situation in which I'd rather play through a Vintage 30 than a Veteran 30.
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If you were told you had Celestions, but you do not, that's a problem. You got ripped off. I've never heard of WGS speakers, but they do appear to have a following. Now then... If you can live with the WGS speakers and they sound good, then I'd drop it. If you're familiar with the Celestion sound and can't stand the speakers, then you need to say something to this so-called friend. Do remember that you bought the cab and liked the tone.
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WGS speakers are rebranded, broken-in celestions IIRC. You didn't get ripped off, your friend was just oversimplifying. They are excellent speakers.
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Thanks for the info, yeah i love the tone. I did some research and found a youtube comparison and the celestions sound alot worse actually! So im stoked about it!
#6
Wait...if that's the case, since your friend didn't know what he had, aren't you ripping him off?
#7
yes you got ripped off from a monatry standpoint. the speakers cost $50 at a minimum less per speaker. they are not affiliated with celestion at all. they are clones, be it decent clones, but they are not genuine Celestion vintage 30's.

if you like them and don't want to make a big deal out of it, i would say do nothing, but i think you should have payed a little less (assuming you bought it from your friend) being cloned speakers, as they are worth less. resale value is worse too if it comes to you sell it down the road.

the person who mentioned that they were rebranded celestions as far as my knowledge is wrong, you are probably thinking hellatones, which are broken in genuine celestions that avatar sells.
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Whether you were actually ripped off would depend on what you actually paid for it. Misled, certainly - but ripped off? How much did you pay?
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WGS speakers are rebranded, broken-in celestions IIRC.

No. Those are the Avatar Hellatones.


IMO, you got ripped off; under under any circumstance of price, because you were misled to believe that they were genuine Celestions, not copies. Maybe you didn't get ripped off in terms of sound quality, but considering that the WGS speaker costs like $45 a piece and V30s are $130 a piece, that's a significant difference in value. While WGS speakers may sound great, not many people have heard of them, and thus if you ever tried to sell the cab, the resale value is going to take a GIANT hit, because your average musician does not want a copy, they want the real thing.
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No. Those are the Avatar Hellatones.


IMO, you got ripped off; under under any circumstance of price, because you were misled to believe that they were genuine Celestions, not copies. Maybe you didn't get ripped off in terms of sound quality, but considering that the WGS speaker costs like $45 a piece and V30s are $130 a piece, that's a significant difference in value. While WGS speakers may sound great, not many people have heard of them, and thus if you ever tried to sell the cab, the resale value is going to take a GIANT hit, because your average musician does not want a copy, they want the real thing.


I agree but vet 30's are like $69.......sound wise I've got a a vet 30 and it a great sounding well made speaker....IMO it sounds better than the made in china vintage 30's.
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I agree but vet 30's are like $69.......sound wise I've got a a vet 30 and it a great sounding well made speaker....IMO it sounds better than the made in china vintage 30's.

Wow, they've really raised the prices on those things. I remember when they used to be $35 a piece and shipping was only like $10. Ridiculous - I'd rather buy Celestions and keep my resale value if that's the case.

I have had Chinese V30s and English V30s and A/B'd them together, for all intended purposes, they sound the same. I seriously doubt ANYONE could ever tell the difference between the two. There's a bunch of hype about the English ones, and it's all a bunch of BS; yes, I would rather have mine made in England, just because China isn't really a great place to have anything made, but when they have to keep up with the demand, it has to be done to keep the costs the same. They are using the same parts, the only difference is, a 10 year old kid is putting them together. The Chinese made ones might not be made to as high of a standard as the English ones, but Celestion's quality control is very good on them, and saying that they sound worse, using the same parts, is just dumb.
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... just because China Indonesia or Thailand, etc. isn't really a great place to have anything made, ... only difference is, a 10 year old kid is putting them together.
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Guess so, China has definitely upped their standards in the past few years.
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No. Those are the Avatar Hellatones.


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they are not affiliated with celestion at all. they are clones, be it decent clones, but they are not genuine Celestion vintage 30's.


It seems I was mistaken.
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No. Those are the Avatar Hellatones.


IMO, you got ripped off; under under any circumstance of price, because you were misled to believe that they were genuine Celestions, not copies. Maybe you didn't get ripped off in terms of sound quality, but considering that the WGS speaker costs like $45 a piece and V30s are $130 a piece, that's a significant difference in value. While WGS speakers may sound great, not many people have heard of them, and thus if you ever tried to sell the cab, the resale value is going to take a GIANT hit, because your average musician does not want a copy, they want the real thing.


+1, that's the way i'd look at it too.
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#17
if the price paid was supposed to reflect v30s, then perhaps you did ovrpay because v30 are about 2x the price.

in terms of quality, you actually got a better speaker.

so he could have screwed you in price, but you get better performance. or perhaps he said v30s because he didnt think you would buy it if you never heard of WGS speakers.
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WGS are a company in Kentucky, that was founded by workers from Eminence. So you deff got a better quality speaker than a Celestion, but yes you were misled. So are you gonna let us know what you paid? then we can make a better judgement call. I'd say if you paid more than $375 for it he took you.
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Maybe WGS is not well known NOW, but who's to say that in 5 -10 -20 years when TS decides to sell the cab with those speakers in it that they won't be well known THEN?
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Maybe WGS is not well known NOW, but who's to say that in 5 -10 -20 years when TS decides to sell the cab with those speakers in it that they won't be well known THEN?


1. Well based on that logic, he should now go back and demand the difference in money.

2. Then take that money, buy some more WGS speakers

3. ?????

4. Profits

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Wow, they've really raised the prices on those things. I remember when they used to be $35 a piece and shipping was only like $10. Ridiculous - I'd rather buy Celestions and keep my resale value if that's the case.

I have had Chinese V30s and English V30s and A/B'd them together, for all intended purposes, they sound the same. I seriously doubt ANYONE could ever tell the difference between the two. There's a bunch of hype about the English ones, and it's all a bunch of BS; yes, I would rather have mine made in England, just because China isn't really a great place to have anything made, but when they have to keep up with the demand, it has to be done to keep the costs the same. They are using the same parts, the only difference is, a 10 year old kid is putting them together. The Chinese made ones might not be made to as high of a standard as the English ones, but Celestion's quality control is very good on them, and saying that they sound worse, using the same parts, is just dumb.

That is like saying every guitar that is made of the same parts and material are all going to sound the same?? I think like many other people the made in china one's are a bit ice
picky......just opinion
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That is like saying every guitar that is made of the same parts and material are all going to sound the same?? I think like many other people the made in china one's are a bit ice
picky......just opinion

Not really, because the same exact piece of wood can't be used in every guitar. You're comparing manufactured goods to natural materials, which just doesn't work

All V30s can be considered ice-picky
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1. Well based on that logic, he should now go back and demand the difference in money.

2. Then take that money, buy some more WGS speakers

3. ?????

4. Profits

Its potential future value should not be an indicator of present value.


Oh I know.
I was just being a smart-ass
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I'll stick with the old ones:-) or the WGS vet 30.
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