#1
i just tried to apply for enrollment in an advanced diploma of music. Unfortunately i was told that i had to be of mature age. this sounded preposterous because im 18. but apparently where i am, mature age for enrollment is 20 years, and that got me thinking...

What age do you think a person should be in order to be considered mature. this applies for all situations, education, alcohol, conviction of criminal acts, consent (marriage) etc.
Last edited by Marshmelllow at Jul 3, 2011,
#2
I think you should be at least 16 before you're allowed to do crime

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I think you should be at least 16 before you're allowed to do crime

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#5
19 for everything imho
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#6
18 for education and consent of marriage/sex, 21 for everything else. the legal age here for purchasing alcohol is 18, so im sure that will piss alot of people off
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#7
Mature enrollment usually means not straight out of school. So being 20 makes perfect sense.

As for age, I don't know, but it should be uniform. For example, here an adult is 18, and they can do whatever they want. In other places, an adult is 18 but you can't drink until 21. That makes no sense to me. You're either an adult or you aren't. Make it 18 OR 21, but not both at the same time.

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#8
At 18, I thought I was grown up. That was only two years ago, but I already see 18-year-olds as babies. You see a lot of shit in college.

Start with 21. Maturity only really sets in when you've got a real commitment on your hands - paying rent, working full time, etc.
#9
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At 18, I thought I was grown up. That was only two years ago, but I already see 18-year-olds as babies. You see a lot of shit in college.

Start with 21. Maturity only really sets in when you've got a real commitment on your hands - paying rent, working full time, etc.


I agree 100%.

At 24, I often look to my old 18 year old self and think a lot of the things I did were stupid. But in all honesty I even started thinking that at 21. Like he said above, you see a LOT of new things away at college. If not at school, you're definitely subject to a lot different of a world the older you get.
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#10
I'd have to say 20 or 21 I guess. 18 seems a bit young to be allowed to purchase alcohol, at least where I live, anyway.
#11
On average, ~25.
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#12
Age does not equal maturity. Responsibilities mature you.
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#13
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Age does not equal maturity. Responsibilities mature you.


this isn't about actually being mature, its about the legal title 'mature'.
#15
I'll just say that it's really hilarious that in the USA, you can have a kid, sign up to shoot people for your country, drive a car and a bunch of other shit when you're 16 (or maybe 17 or 18 for some of that, it makes no difference), but you can't buy yourself a beer until you're 21. Such a bizarre way of prioritising things.

Anyway, I know people in their mid 20s who still live with their parents, aren't doing anything with their lives and spend all their time getting drunk with people who are like 17/18. So, age and maturity obviously aren't always directly related, but you're not going to find anyone very mature who isn't through with puberty.

If being an adult means assuming responsibility for yourself, it's hard to put a concrete limit on when you become an adult. I'm 18 and I feel pretty much the same as I did when I was 17. I'm moving out in a couple of months and that's going to change me more than my fucking 18th birthday.

I do think, though, that while there are some things only adults should do (military, raising kids), it's also ridiculous to do shit like shield teenagers from having a few beers, or force someone to pursue an academic path until a certain age, or stop 15/16 year olds having sex, etc.

In most of these cases you're not going to stop them, so it's better to educate them. If you try to outright prevent it from happening, you're both going to fail to stop them and create someone who doesn't know how to deal with alcohol/sex/whatever responsibly.

tl;dr no TS, this shit can not be applied to all situations
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Quote by blue_strat
At 18, I thought I was grown up. That was only two years ago, but I already see 18-year-olds as babies. You see a lot of shit in college.

Start with 21. Maturity only really sets in when you've got a real commitment on your hands - paying rent, working full time, etc.

I wonder if you'll feel the same way at 25 about 21 year olds.
#17
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Why shouldn't the legal title 'mature' represent actual maturity?


because actual maturity is subjective. but with out a legal title a government has no definition between an adult and child. its merely a recommended average.
#18
Here in Canada, the legal drinking age is just a suggestion.
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At 18, I thought I was grown up. That was only two years ago, but I already see 18-year-olds as babies. You see a lot of shit in college.

Start with 21. Maturity only really sets in when you've got a real commitment on your hands - paying rent, working full time, etc.


I thought this way about my 13/14 year old self when I was 16. I think this way about my 16 year old self now. I'll think like this about me now when I'm 20. When I'm 20-something I'll think my 20 year old self was immature. When I'm 80 I'll think my 70 year old self was too wild for his own good, etc, etc.
#21
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Here in Canada, the legal drinking age is just a suggestion.


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#22
Quote by Marshmelllow
because actual maturity is subjective. but with out a legal title a government has no definition between an adult and child. its merely a recommended average.

Oh, I see your point..

Since it's just a recommended average, laws shouldn't be strict about the maturity age.
I haven't looked into this subject at all so I'm just talking out my ass.
#23
I see what you're trying to get at, but I don't think there can really be a correlation of age and maturity level.

I'm 19 and I support myself all except for housing (Yes, I realize that's a huge part of "Growing up" and whatnot, but I still live with my grandfather for reasons beyond financial struggle). I consider myself mostly mature, simply because I grew up when I left high school (17).

I got myself a car, my guitar equipment, gas money, clothes, food, etc.. I pay for ALL that myself, and I do not have a job. maybe I'm just lucky but I get by with doing little jobs for people and whatnot.

In terms of a "legal" title for being mature.. I really have to say 18. A good percentage of my friends left to join the military, and a few are stationed in Korea. They handle guns, can take lives, do all the things that someone twice their age would be doing.. Yet cannot drink or whatever. Seems messed up to me.

Then again, I also know many people my age and even older who have just not grown up at all. They still act 12-13. Y'know what I mean, they're still going "Oh I HATE my parents! They're so mean!" and do not support themselves whatsoever.
#24
16 to drive.
18 to be a legal adult.
19 to buy alcohol legally.

I'm fine with the way Canada has it.
I agree with Canadian law every time I see some kids do things (drink, etc.) underage, sometimes I think the age should be raised. They become such annoying assholes.
They're also immature.
#25
Quote by Extra Ordinary
16 to drive.
18 to be a legal adult.
19 to buy alcohol legally.

I'm fine with the way Canada has it.
I agree with Canadian law every time I see some kids do things (drink, etc.) underage, sometimes I think the age should be raised. They become such annoying assholes.
They're also immature.


Kids will drink anyway. In most European countries it's accepted that people start to drink at about 15 or 16, and the people in those countries are far more mature about drinking alcohol than they are in the UK and in other countries where the drinking age is higher than normal.
#26
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Legally, 21, in reality, prolly not until 26 or even 30 years old. Kids are taking longer and longer to grow up, I'm no exception either.



It's because as a whole, society is lifting moral responsibility off itself. I almost wish I'd grown up a decade earlier, so that even if life was a bit harder...I'd be a better person for it. We're just getting lazy.
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Kids will drink anyway. In most European countries it's accepted that people start to drink at about 15 or 16, and the people in those countries are far more mature about drinking alcohol than they are in the UK and in other countries where the drinking age is higher than normal.

I guess it is because the kids are exposed to the physical and psychological effects at a young age, so they know what it can do and act more mature about it.
I just happen to know a lot of people that are immature and drink underage.
#28
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I wonder if you'll feel the same way at 25 about 21 year olds.

Probably, but fresh out of college > fresh out of school.

For things like age of consent and drinking, it would be ridiculous to set them at 21, because they're so easy to get around. But I would be happy for the driving age to be a few years higher. That's already partially enforced by insurance companies charging so much for young drivers.