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With US patent number 7966578, Apple has been awarded control over "[a] computer-implemented method, for use in conjunction with a portable multifunction device with a touch screen display, [that] comprises displaying a portion of page content, including a frame displaying a portion of frame content and also including other content of the page, on the touch screen display". Basically, the patent gives Apple full ownership of "capacitive multitouch interface"--the touchscreen interface commonly used by smartphone manufacturers--which is the way you would navigate yourself around a touchscreen while using other multitouch gestures (for instance, scrolling around a webpage with a finger, while also being able to use a two-finger touch on an embedded frame on the page)


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I don't like it at all. It's going to create a monopoly in touchscreen phones, until some other company creates a new way to implement multi-touch, which also means we may see slower development in android devices.
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So...what's the issue? Maybe I'll buy an Apple phone if their product is worth a shit now. The iPhone wasn't as great as they made it out to be.
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that sucks. its gonna really make it difficult for the competition to .. well.. compete. apple already gets away with making profit off of inferior products just because their PR people are stupid good at what they do. now they have a patent on the touch screen? harsh.
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I thought it was going to be about more than one touch interface like the PS Vita.
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Welp. As an Iphone/Ipad owner, I guess this is good. Since I plan to stick with these products. I like them.
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Good. They invented it, they deserve it.
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Next: some non-apple company places a copyright on the keyboard. Another places a copyright on the LED screen and LCD screen, and intel places a patent on a CPU.

Apple can get ****ed.
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For anyone scared by this, read the last few paragraphs of the article. It clarifies it a lot better.
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Welp. As an Iphone/Ipad owner, I guess this is good. Since I plan to stick with these products. I like them.

Wow, what a douchey thing to say. You know you could continue to buy Apple products even if they didn't do this patent thing, right?
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Welp. As an Iphone/Ipad owner, I guess this is good. Since I plan to stick with these products. I like them.

They would be much more expensive and slower to develop.
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Good. They invented it, they deserve it.

How silly.

The short quote can't possible be correct.
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They would be much more expensive and slower to develop..



Ah.


....well **** that, then.
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For anyone scared by this, read the last few paragraphs of the article. It clarifies it a lot better.


And does anyone actually expect Apple to not be a dick about this?

Because I really can't see that happening.
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I thought they already did?

Also, usual means of aversion:

1. Take patent.
2. Modify slightly while leaving functional.
3. ???
4. Patent defeated.
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#20
this patent was granted weeks ago.

nothing will change it would never hold in court.
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And does anyone actually expect Apple to not be a dick about this?

Because I really can't see that happening.



Pretty much, they're going to be a dick about it. Hell, they filed a lawsuit against Samsung because their Galaxy phones, tablets and the Touchwiz UI "looked similar enough to fool the average consumer".
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How silly.

The short quote can't possible be correct.


really? Name a single phone with a multi-touch capacitive touch screen that came out before the iPhone.
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Pretty much, they're going to be a dick about it. Hell, they filed a lawsuit against Samsung because their Galaxy phones, tablets and the Touchwiz UI "looked similar enough to fool the average consumer".

I really want to make a joke about apple fanboys being stupid right now. Saying the Galaxy looks like an iPhone is like saying the Razr looks like the LG Chocolate flip phone.
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By all means go ahead lol. I own several apple products and even I wanted to make the joke
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really? Name a single phone with a multi-touch capacitive touch screen that came out before the iPhone.

dont bother with this guy captaincrunk, he would give his life if steve jobs would suck him off.

here you go, touchscreens have been around forever, common knowledge, the patent is bunk
http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/Touch-Screen.htm
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Wait, the patent says that smart phones use that already basically. Yet it's giving complete control of that to apple?
That can't be right.

No, they're allowing Apple to patent its particular way of doing multi-touch. In essence, the patent is saying no one can copy the interface or coding.

It is also, however, probably going to mean other multi-touch phone makers/providers are screwed.

Edit:
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dont bother with this guy captaincrunk, he would give his life if steve jobs would suck him off.

here you go, touchscreens have been around forever, common knowledge, the patent is bunk
http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/Touch-Screen.htm
This isn't a touch screen issue. Multi-touch =/= touch screen. Hell, my sister has a flip phone touch screen. It's hardly on the same level as an Android or iPhone.
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No, they're allowing Apple to patent its particular way of doing multi-touch. In essence, the patent is saying no one can copy the interface or coding.

It is also, however, probably going to mean other multi-touch phone makers/providers are screwed.

the patent will never hold in court.
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dont bother with this guy captaincrunk, he would give his life if steve jobs would suck him off.

here you go, touchscreens have been around forever, common knowledge, the patent is bunk
http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/Touch-Screen.htm


They didnt grant apple a patent to touch screens, just multi-touch capacitive touch screens. My statement still stands, and your ad homonym attacks don't prove your point.
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the patent will never hold in court.
Maybe, maybe not. First someone has to even bring a case against it.

I must add, after contemplation, that it is kind of a dick move to get a patent after you see your competitors begin selling and developing a similar product, even if you actually applied for the patent before they did so.
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They didnt grant apple a patent to touch screens, just multi-touch capacitive touch screens. My statement still stands, and your ad homonym attacks don't prove your point.

They dont prove my point but they do prove a point.


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Microsoft's table-top touch platform Microsoft Surface, which started development in 2001, interacts with both the users touch and their electronic devices. Similarly, in 2001, Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories (MERL) began development of a multi-touch, multi-user system called DiamondTouch, also based on capacitance but able to differentiate between multiple simultaneous users (or rather, the chairs in which each user is seated or the floorpad the user is standing on); the Diamondtouch became a commercial product in 2008.


okay, patents bunk, there you go.

If you understood patents, you would understand that the touchscreen being in a phone doesnt matter, its the touchscreen itself, doesnt matter what it is in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
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By all means go ahead lol. I own several apple products and even I wanted to make the joke


This

But You can't deny that your grandma wouldn't know the difference between this and an iPhone:

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Lmao I love internet lawyers. Well, Jimmybanks, since you seem to know the ins and outs of patent law, why oh why will this never hold up in court?
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Maybe, maybe not. First someone has to even bring a case against it.

I must add, after contemplation, that it is kind of a dick move to get a patent after you see your competitors begin selling and developing a similar product, even if you actually applied for the patent before they did so.

Theres 2 reasons this wouldnt work:

1. It was predated known implementation, the software can be patented, sure, the capacitive touchscreen itself is already known information, unpatentable (well patentable, but bunk)

2. This would monopolize touch phones to apple, would never be allowed, especially with the direction the market has moved.
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I had an iPhone before Apple monopolized touch screens...

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Lmao I love internet lawyers. Well, Jimmybanks, since you seem to know the ins and outs of patent law, why oh why will this never hold up in court?

You learn about patents and whats patentable in post-secondary school, dont worry, youll get there sometime, maybe.
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They dont prove my point but they do prove a point.


okay, patents bunk, there you go.

If you understood patents, you would understand that the touchscreen being in a phone doesnt matter, its the touchscreen itself, doesnt matter what it is in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
Stop. Stop now. Your logic is unsound and doesn't do more than obfuscate. Don't come in here, bringing unrelated examples, and try to prove something. Stick to the damn topic, at least.

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Theres 2 reasons this wouldnt work:

1. It was predated known implementation, the software can be patented, sure, the capacitive touchscreen itself is already known information, unpatentable (well patentable, but bunk)

2. This would monopolize touch phones to apple, would never be allowed, especially with the direction the market has moved.
And you know this all to be fact how? I don't give a shit what you think. It doesn't mean it'll happen. Wait & see before you give your predetermined judgements. Afterwards, feel free to go, "I told you so" -- if you do, in fact, turn out to be right.
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Stop. Stop now. Your logic is unsound and doesn't do more than obfuscate. Don't come in here, bringing unrelated examples, and try to prove something. Stick to the damn topic, at least.
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The article has 2 examples of multi-touch capacitive screens that predate the release of the iphone and the acquiring of the touch company in 05.

The patent comment was in relation to his other post telling the guy to find a predated "phone" with multi-touch
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okay, patents bunk, there you go.

If you understood patents, you would understand that the touchscreen being in a phone doesnt matter, its the touchscreen itself, doesnt matter what it is in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch




I'm done arguing with you. You're clearly not very smart.
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I'm done arguing with you. You're clearly not very smart.
No, he's smart. Just incredibly wrong and lacking a grasp of logical argument.

Jimmybanks, go argue with a wall or something.
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No, he's smart. Just incredibly wrong and lacking a grasp of logical argument.

there is examples proving the hardware was already known by ms surface and another tech company predating the acquiring of the touch company and the iphone
what more do i need?

also i read this article on engadget and gizmodo weeks ago, the commenters in both proved why this would go nowhere multiple times. If you are interested in reading them then google is your friend.
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