Poll: Does piracy = theft?
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View poll results: Does piracy = theft?
Yes, undoubtedly
76 32%
Yes, To an extent
73 31%
No, but I don't think it's right to do so regardless.
32 14%
Definitely not.
55 23%
Voters: 236.
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#1
I'm sure some of you may have seen this image floating around the internet;

The question is, do you agree with it?
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#2
If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.
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#3
you're not stealing the physical album, but you are stealing copyrighted material.
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#4
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If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.



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#9
it's like someone steals your car... and then it's still there...
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#10
Quote by ethan_hanus
Yes, it is stealing. Just don't be a lazy freeloader and pony up the money.


what does being lazy have to do with it? i'd imagine it would take less effort to go to iTunes or the website for whatever software or wherever and buy it legally than to pirate whatever.
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#11
As the quote goes... If piracy is illegal, then my hard drive contents are worth more than China.
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#12
You're taking something that people have worked hard to create, and giving them nothing in return.

Even if you don't want to consider it as theft, it's still a ****ing dick move.
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#13
Why, sure it is. But it is not just theft. It is also:

Killing
Singing drunken songs
Hanging around with your mates
Going to find some rare items or something
Living your life to the full

It is many things
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#14
Quote by UraniYum
If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.

What if you pirate something that you had no intention of ever purchasing legally? Is it stealing then?
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#16
I dont know a lot about stealing in general, so im just going to stay over here and let you guys talk this one out. Im a square.


Although...I did shop lift a single onion from Walmart this one time. So there is that. Yeah, thats right. Im a rebel. Livin' DANGEROUS! Ahem..like I said, ill just sit this one out.
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#17
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What if you pirate something that you had no intention of ever purchasing legally? Is it stealing then?


Yes. The creator of whatever you pirated should be making money every time someone acquires one.
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#18
Quote by UraniYum
If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.

That's flawed logic though. Just because I'm pirating something doesn't mean I had any intention of buying it in the first place.

My friend gives me his hat. I planned on buying that hat before but he gave it to me so I didn't. The company lost the profit they would have obtained otherwise if he hadn't given it to me. So I stole a hat.

My friend wants a popular single but doesn't want to buy the album. I bought the album before so I burn him a CD with the single, so he stole that song.


I pirate and I buy. I just spend almost $40 on music from one artist and I'll get more soon, because Devin Townsend is that awesome. I pirated the first albums I got. I enjoyed his music so much that I added him to my list of people who I support financially. I've never bought a Lady Gaga album but I've spent a shitload of money at a show. I would have never attended if I hadn't pirated her albums.


EDIT: ^Then burning CDs is just as bad.
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#20
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If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.

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#21
Quote by theogonia777
what does being lazy have to do with it? i'd imagine it would take less effort to go to iTunes or the website for whatever software or wherever and buy it legally than to pirate whatever.


Lazy, as in too lazy to earn the money to buy it.
#24
The picture is trying to blur the line.
It's not a blurred line.
Copyrighted material means you need to buy to own when new unless it says otherwise. Not copy a video on youtube to own.

It's potential revenue they are losing and that is still companies losing money.


But it's so common-place and copyable now that it doesn't feel bad. And also people are cheap when it comes to entertainment.. That's right, i called you all cheap because you don't want to work for your media.

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#25
I suppose that on whether you consider not paying for shit as theft. Besides, it's now $1 for a song, $10-20 for an album. Is it really that hard to pay that little?

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So tax is theft, blunders are theft, etc. Great...
Way to take it out of context. And tax is not theft. A company doesn't lose anything out of the $10 you pay for an album when tax is involved. You just pay the tax there. They keep the $10. Bad example.
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#26
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
I suppose that on whether you consider not paying for shit as theft. Besides, it's now $1 for a song, $10-20 for an album. Is it really that hard to pay that little?

But what if you don't have any money
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#27
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If it's taking the profit the product would otherwise have obtained, yes.

I'm not getting any money from it.
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#28
You mean legally or morally?

Legally, it is. You've got dicks like the RIAA paying millions of bucks to stop it from happening.

Morally? I don't give a ****, I can't afford to buy any CDs, so I'm gonna download whenever I wanna listen to music, and if I really like the album, I'll only buy it if it's on vinyl, why? I'm just a ****ing hipster like that and I really like the crackling of vinyl.

I never bought vinyl though...but I plan to, someday.

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I'm not getting any money from it.

Neither are the people pirating it online.
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#29
Quote by conor-figgy
But what if you don't have any money
Then, maybe your least concern should be buying new music.
#30
Well, the way I see it:

Go ahead, pirate something. You probably weren't going to pay for it anyways.
Now, enjoy it for a bit. Do you like it? Good, then you should pay for it.
You don't like it? Fine, you weren't going to buy it anyways.
Now, CAN you pay for it? Yes? You should pay for it. Support the people who created something that you liked.
No? Well, make a note, when you can, pay for it. Because you didn't have the money, and probably weren't going to buy it anyways.

Now assuming you CAN pay for it and you DID enjoy it and you don't pay for it... then it's a type of stealing. Though not in the traditional sense.
#31
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."
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#32
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Then, maybe your least concern should be buying new music.

And that's where torrents etc. come in. You can't tell me that music is only for those who can afford it.
#33
#34
Piracy is stealing no matter how you look at it.
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#36
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But if you had the choice between buying music, or getting music for free and spending your saved money on whatever you can't pirate, like gear. Or fleshlights. Which would you choose?
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#37
Do I think it is stealing? Yes

Do I look down upon people who download? No

Do I download? No, but only because I can afford my music. I can see why people who can't afford it would download and don't really care at all that they do.

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#38
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#39
Quote by Silent Murder
The picture is trying to blur the line.
It's not a blurred line.
Copyrighted material means you need to buy to own when new unless it says otherwise. Not copy a video on youtube to own.

It's potential revenue they are losing and that is still companies losing money.


But it's so common-place and copyable now that it doesn't feel bad. And also people are cheap when it comes to entertainment.. That's right, i called you all cheap because you don't want to work for your media.

wanna fight about it?
I hope I didn't strike a nerve

So what you're saying that is that if I buy an album, burn it for a friend, then he uploads it to a torrent site it's fine? It's not new. It's passed from me, to him, then copied (Just like how I burned it) for others.

The whole "potential revenue" stuff is bullshit. They're losing potential revenue every time I decide to not buy something, whether I download it or not. They lose the same potential if I pirate it or not.

Where does it cross a line between burning CDs and torrenting? The only difference is scale, so where does it stop being ok and start being illegal?
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#40
it depends what definition you're going to go off. if you think that everyone should pay £15 for an album, then it is if everyone doesn't do that. i think charging everyone that money is stealing, though.
you can just borrow free music from the library (or a friend) and burn it.
and you can record everything off tv as well (including films).
it just so happens that instead of vhs and tapes, like back in the day, you have mp3s and avis that are more convenient to download than copy. it's never been seen as stealing before.
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