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#1
They didn't have a tube screamer in front of them. Every amp i've ever tried has always been bassy, fizzy and impossible to control the mids. Today i got fed up with it and slapped my boss gt-10 in front of my friends dual rec. Put the tube screamer at 0 drive, and half tone/volume, screwed around with the EQ on the amp and nearly came. I was amazed at how much of a difference this made in the tone, and this is just an amp model too 0_o So i tried it on my friends TSL also, made it sound significantly better, i'm actually looking forward to playing it (i have two bands and both rhythm guitar players leave their amps at my house). So I came to realize what would be my ideal head with a tube screamer (or at least my pedal's).

So i need a head with lots of mids, something between the dual rec and tsl, the bass could also be between a dual rec and TSL, leaning toward the dual rec side, and the treble would need to be lower than those two amps, but just by a bit. Oh and enough gain to get the full on saturation tone, i wouldn't have my gain cranked that high obviously but all the amps that i have remotely liked have that characteristic. What comes to mind from what i know of amps in general is something like a 6505 or Soldano, hope to try some soon, any heads come to mind with that general description? I play metalcore/melodic death metal, so i want something heavy but also cuts through, and it seems that something between a TSL and Dual Rec would be an ideal thing to try.
#2
I'm gonna stop you right there. From the sound of it, the reason that the tube amps you've tried sound fizzy and bassy is because you didn't have them turned up loud enough. Tube amps have to be turned up to a certain point before they can obtain the "sweetness" of the tubes. This is especially the case with Marshall and Mesa amps. A Tube Screamer may help with overly-bassy amps (such as the Dual Recto), but it's not the miracle pedal that you think it is.

With this being said, from your description of the tone you're looking for, I would suggest something from Peavey. Either a 6505+, 6534+, JSX (or Triple XXX II as they call it now), or a 3120 should do the trick for you. You can still add a Tube Screamer if you'd like, but it's certainly not a necessity. I have a JSX, and I only run a tuner and Decimator in front of it, and it sounds great. Just be sure to try before you buy.
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#3
If your playing through all those amps and making it sound like crap it may not be the amp... Anyway pretty much all tube amps above a certain size have ways to EQ them so you shouldn't necessarily worry about the amp itself being bassy or whatever, you can control that. Just look for amps or brands that are commonly used in your genre of music and try them out to see if you like it
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#5
holy crap, i hope i was never like this.
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I'm gonna stop you right there. From the sound of it, the reason that the tube amps you've tried sound fizzy and bassy is because you didn't have them turned up loud enough. Tube amps have to be turned up to a certain point before they can obtain the "sweetness" of the tubes. This is especially the case with Marshall and Mesa amps. A Tube Screamer may help with overly-bassy amps (such as the Dual Recto), but it's not the miracle pedal that you think it is.


I understand how a tube amp works, when i'm trying to get a good tone out of either of the amps i have it between 3-6. The thing is i've always enjoyed the scooped mids sound, but i've never bothered keeping them low because i never cut through for obvious reasons. The Tube screamer allows me to get that thick chunky sound because it gives that mid boost so you can cut the mids back on the amp. The tube screamer makes it sound perfect to my ears.
#8
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If your playing through all those amps and making it sound like crap it may not be the amp... Anyway pretty much all tube amps above a certain size have ways to EQ them so you shouldn't necessarily worry about the amp itself being bassy or whatever, you can control that. Just look for amps or brands that are commonly used in your genre of music and try them out to see if you like it


If you walked into a music store around my area you would know what i mean... marshalls and mesa's, making them sound like crap probably wasn't the best way to describe it, the tones i get out of the amps i try just don't do it for me, i always start with everything at 12 o clock and adjust from there. But now that i have this TS setting on my Boss both the TSL and Dual Rec they sound tighter than an asian school girl, 10 asian school girls in fact. I just need some particular amp suggestions because i'm heading into the city this weekend and want to try some amps out.
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#9
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If you walked into a music store around my area you would know what i mean... marshalls and mesa's, making them sound like crap probably wasn't the best way to describe it, the tones i get out of the amps i try just don't do it for me, i always start with everything at 12 o clock and adjust from there. But now that i have this TS setting on my Boss both the TSL and Dual Rec they sound tighter than an asian school girl, 10 asian school girls in fact. I just need some particular amp suggestions because i'm heading into the city this weekend and want to try some amps out.


I'm gonna have to ask this... are you sure its not just you? OR maybe even that Marshalls or Mesas may not be your thing?
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But now that i have this TS setting on my Boss both the TSL and Dual Rec they sound tighter than an asian school girl, 10 asian school girls in fact.


Shiiit bro I'm still struggling to get my amp to sound tighter than 2 asian school girls, how do you do it?!

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#12
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I'm gonna have to ask this... are you sure its not just you? OR maybe even that Marshalls or Mesas may not be your thing?


I have only really ever played mesa's and marshalls because that's all that's available to me, i'm a ****ing tone freak i've never been this satisfied with a guitar tone in my life. Marshall are more rock based amps so they aren't my thing, and i just don't like the voicing of mesa amps, Mark series is great for rock/80's metal but not great for what i do. I've tried a couple odd amps hear and there, like a krank revolution+ yesterday, brittle sounding, very weak tone, it was used though so might have been the tubes or something, but i'm told you have to crank them to 6 or something to get a good tone out of them and i didn't feel like pissing off the old guy beside me in the amp room.

Tried a traynor, three channels or something, no gain at all, and that wasn't the first one i tried either. I had a line 6 hd147 which didn't sound bad, but it didn't cut through the mix at all, as expected. Is it all that weird that i like a boosted amp? It sounds great to me, i'm just looking for an amp voiced between a marshall and mesa because i like characteristics of both but not each one as a whole.
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Shiiit bro I'm still struggling to get my amp to sound tighter than 2 asian school girls, how do you do it?!


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#15
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I have only really ever played mesa's and marshalls because that's all that's available to me, i'm a ****ing tone freak i've never been this satisfied with a guitar tone in my life. Marshall are more rock based amps so they aren't my thing, and i just don't like the voicing of mesa amps, Mark series is great for rock/80's metal but not great for what i do. I've tried a couple odd amps hear and there, like a krank revolution+ yesterday, brittle sounding, very weak tone, it was used though so might have been the tubes or something, but i'm told you have to crank them to 6 or something to get a good tone out of them and i didn't feel like pissing off the old guy beside me in the amp room.

Tried a traynor, three channels or something, no gain at all, and that wasn't the first one i tried either. I had a line 6 hd147 which didn't sound bad, but it didn't cut through the mix at all, as expected. Is it all that weird that i like a boosted amp? It sounds great to me, i'm just looking for an amp voiced between a marshall and mesa because i like characteristics of both but not each one as a whole.


Yeah Kranks need to be up to a certain volume before they grow a pair TBH.

I see the lack of some rock-hard German engineering... maybe you need to pound away on an ENGL or a Diezel?
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#16
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Get the Marshall and Mesa and play them in stereo! You know you want to. Those 2 always come nicely-priced, used. And if you can postpone gratification, you can wait for you-need-to-get-it-now deals.


I've honestly considered that, maybe i can buy a dual rec first, get another cab and pair it up with my friends TSL and blend the two together.
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Yeah Kranks need to be up to a certain volume before they grow a pair TBH.

I see the lack of some rock-hard German engineering... maybe you need to pound away on an ENGL or a Diezel?


UGHHH god i wish, there is one ENGL dealer in my entire province (I live in canada) and they are closed when i'm going to where they are located, don't know any diezel dealers, found a bogner dealer but they don't actually have any, i hate canada sometimes The mostly legal weed is nice though, and the free healthcare.
#18
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Shiiit bro I'm still struggling to get my amp to sound tighter than 2 asian school girls, how do you do it?!


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#19
So you have the bass and the treble turned up and are complaining that it's too bassy and fizzy? You, my friend deserve a




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#20
As someone surrounded by Asian school girls 5 days a week, I want to projectile vomit 보신탕 into your eyes. Thanks.

But whatevs. Good luck on searching for Das Überton.
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#21
wait wait wait... you said before that you enjoy the scooped mids tone... but you complain about it not cutting through, so you put the tubescreamer in front of the amp to put in extra mids...?

was I the only one to notice this?
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#22
you're doing it wrong.

by tone freak do you mean tone deaf?

you realize that a tube screamer boosts your mids right? right? right? rigth????

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#23
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wait wait wait... you said before that you enjoy the scooped mids tone... but you complain about it not cutting through, so you put the tubescreamer in front of the amp to put in extra mids...?

was I the only one to notice this?

Correct. This sounds like a case of operator error.

Doesn't want mids but adding a tubescreamer.
Using a recto at low volume but it's too fizzy.
Using an amp with a ton of bass but it's only tight enough when you use a tubescreamer, which cuts bass.
Using a Dual Rec, but wants a tight sounding amp.

It sounds like you're using the wrong amp with the wrong EQ setup. The tubescreamer is making the amp sound better to you because it's correcting for your bad EQing by cutting bass and adding mids. You're still using the wrong amp, though.
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#30
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So you have the bass and the treble turned up and are complaining that it's too bassy and fizzy? You, my friend deserve a




No, no. Don't thank me - you earned it.


When did i say i have either of those turned up, once i put the tube screamer on i put my treble on both amps just below 5, the bass a little over 5 and the mids between 3-6. When i talk about scooped mids i mean having the mids below the treble and bass... not at 0.
#31
and then the tubescreamer boosts your mids.

congratulations. you win the tone game.
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#32
So what you're saying is the EQ on your amp is approximately: Bass at 6, mids at 4, and treble at 6.

When you add the Tubescreamer, it boosts your mids. So it isn't scooped, at least not as much.
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#33
Quote by Roc8995
Correct. This sounds like a case of operator error.

Doesn't want mids but adding a tubescreamer.
Using a recto at low volume but it's too fizzy.
Using an amp with a ton of bass but it's only tight enough when you use a tubescreamer, which cuts bass.
Using a Dual Rec, but wants a tight sounding amp.

It sounds like you're using the wrong amp with the wrong EQ setup. The tubescreamer is making the amp sound better to you because it's correcting for your bad EQing by cutting bass and adding mids. You're still using the wrong amp, though.


The tube screamer allows me to lower the mids on my amp but gives me a different mid ranged tone that sounds heavy.
I play the recto anywhere between 3-6, that is loud enough, i don't play it quietly.
I understand that a dual rec has a lot of bass, that's where the tube screamer helps.
The tube screamer makes the dual rec tight.

Before i added the tube screamer i had the bass on 3, the mids at 7, and the treble between 5-6. The presence was anywhere between 2-4, i found it never does anything unless you crank it or scoop it, and the gain was somewhere around 6-7. Now with the tube screamer i have the treble at 4, mids between 3-4, and the bass at 5 and the presence where ever, and the gain between 4-5. It sounds heavy, and scooped, but it still has lots of clarity.
#34
Ignite can get a beastly tone out of his dual/triple rec(can't remember what he has) at extremely low volumes.

I can get a nice tight crunchy tone from my VK at low volumes too with a TS9. It's all about EQing the amp. A OD helps tighten up the gain by cutting the bass and boosting the mids, but if you EQ'ed right you wouldn't always have to do that, depends on what kind of tone you're going for.
#35
i was gonna try to suggest amps to you but after reading some posts i'm confused on what tone you're going for lol
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#36
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#37
DONT SCOOP YOUR MIDS!!!! ITS NOT BRUTAL AND YOU WONT CUT THROUGH THE MIX!!!!


Now thats clear, what exactly are you asking for? Amp recommendations?
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#39
sounds like he already figured what he likes... a tube amp with scooped mids and a tubescreamer running in front of it. he just wants... something... acceptance? validation?
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#40
Wow, this thread is so full of fail. And not just from TS. I think most of the GG&A forum is mentally retarded. And I mean that, there are some really dumb ****s here.

Also, Acousticmirror, stop using Cathbard's avatar! It confuses me when you say mean things.
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