#1
Hello UG,

I know, I already made 2 threads about buying a new amp, yet I've got a holiday job, so I got alot more money now.

So I went to 2 shops today, and tested out a few amps, and I really liked the Orange Thunder 30 Head + PPC 410 Cab. Yet I didn't have enough time to test out other ones so when I go back next week I want to be able to test other ones within the same price range, so recommend me some amps within the same price range.

Budget? - 1500€

Genres? - Metal, Post-Core, Post-Rock, Hard Rock, ...

New or Used? - Preferably new.

Home or Gig? - Both, want to be able to use it at home + gig + rehearsal.

Closest City? - Kortrijk, Belgium

Current Gear? - Signature.

LONG STORY SHORT: I like the Orange thunder 30 head with the ppc 412 cab, what else do you recommend within that price range?

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Gear:
Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro
Last edited by Bauwke at Jul 9, 2011,
#2
Well if you like the thunder 30h you might like the rocker 30h if your looking for a little more gain. I personaly would look into the ppc 2x12 insted of the 4x10 it will have a fuller low end compared.
However the thunder 30 is a really nice amp.
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#3
Quote by Robbgnarly
Well if you like the thunder 30h you might like the rocker 30h if your looking for a little more gain. I personaly would look into the ppc 2x12 insted of the 4x10 it will have a fuller low end compared.
However the thunder 30 is a really nice amp.


The rocker 30 is the predecessor of the thunder 30 right? But won't the 2x12 give me less spread of my sound? It indeed is a really nice amp

#2 of the Orange TH30 Clique
Gear:
Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro
#4
NO actualy the 2x12 sounds bigger that a 4x10 to me. Almost as big as the 4x12.
And no the rocker and thunder series are diffrent they are just discontinuing the rocker 30, but it is a diff amp.
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#5
any other opinions?

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Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
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Almansa 434 Cedro
#6
Also, what are the differences between a 4x12 cab and a 4x10 cab apart from having larger speakers?

#2 of the Orange TH30 Clique
Gear:
Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro
#7
Quote by Bauwke
Also, what are the differences between a 4x12 cab and a 4x10 cab apart from having larger speakers?


Bigger speakers usually give a fuller, more clearer bottom end.
#8
There aren't many 4x10" cabs for guitar, it's usually a configuration used for bass. The few 4x10"s for guitar are typically loaded with speakers that are not intended for the genres you listed (except for post rock I guess). Except for very very (very very very) few exceptions, you should avoid them like the plague.

Please give us some specific sounds you are looking for. Naming bands/songs can help a lot.

For what it's worth, the TH30 is a fine amp, but if metal is important, I don't see it working for you.
#9
Quote by TheQuailman
There aren't many 4x10" cabs for guitar, it's usually a configuration used for bass. The few 4x10"s for guitar are typically loaded with speakers that are not intended for the genres you listed (except for post rock I guess). Except for very very (very very very) few exceptions, you should avoid them like the plague.

Please give us some specific sounds you are looking for. Naming bands/songs can help a lot.

For what it's worth, the TH30 is a fine amp, but if metal is important, I don't see it working for you.


So basically, I need the Orange PPC412 Cab instead of the PPC410 Cab?

I like A7X's sound, also this, also like Lostprophets' sound.

The TH30 has a fair amount of gain, right?

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Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro
#10
I have not tried the speakers in the PPC410, so I can only take a guess as to what it'll sound like from the frequency-plot on the Celestion site. Seems like it'd handle distortion better than most other 10" speakers, but that's only a guess. The spec sheet also indicates that it is rather inefficient and therefore rather quiet. Honestly, if you want a metal sound, you typically want 12" speakers, and the right kind at that. You'll find that many cabs come with the Celestion Vintage 30, which is the most popular speaker for metal, and while there are other speakers you might like just as well, it's hard to go wrong with a V30 for high-gain sounds.

The TH30 is not as gainy as dedicated metal amps, but has enough gain for most applications.
Gain is not the problem. The troublesome part is that it has no 3-band EQ like other amps, but just one knob that goes from a bass-heavy, muffled sound on one end to a thin, trebly sound on the other. In between these two extremes, it's got a lot of great rock sounds, but there is nothing available that sounds "metal" to me... the clip you linked to is absolutely the opposite of what that amp does. You'll want something that has extended bass and plenty of clarity and presence at the same time, and the TH30 just gives you either this or that, but never both.

1500€ is a serious budget. I'd recommend you go for a dedicated high-gain amp.

Look at the Engl Blackmore for a start:
http://www.thomann.de/be/engl_blackmore_signature_e650_topteil.htm
It will easily do everything you asked for and then some. Not as many extras as the pricier Engls, but the tone's just as great imo.

A Laney VH100R has just as much gain on tap, but doesn't sound as "modern", though for your tastes, that does not seem to be a problem:
http://www.thomann.de/be/laney_vh100rn.htm
It's got seperate EQs for each channel, reverb, and more routing-options for the loop than the Engl. More of a classic British tone than the Engl and arguably a little less versatile.

Lastly, I have not tried this, but it gets recommended for the sounds you asked for a lot, so it can't hurt to have a look:
http://www.thomann.de/be/jet_city_amplification_jca50h.htm

This does not leave much cash for the cab, so I recommend you look at a good 2x12". These come to mind, the HB cab is cheap and decent, the Framus went up in price recently, and I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore when a bit more can get you the Orange or Engl:
http://www.thomann.de/be/harley_benton_g212_vintage.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/framus_fr212_cb.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/orange_ppc212_gitarrenbox.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/engl_e212v_gitarrenbox.htm

You can also get very very nice, custom-built 2x12"-cabs from manufacturers like Zilla or Tubetown between 400€-500€. People keep telling me Celestion G12K drivers work really well with the VH100R should you decide to go the custom-route.
Last edited by TheQuailman at Jul 10, 2011,
#11
If you went for a 212 instead of a 412 could you stretch to a rockerverb 50/100 rather than a thunder 30? I imagine that would do a better job of what you want and would still get the orange sound.
#12
Quote by TheQuailman
I have not tried the speakers in the PPC410, so I can only take a guess as to what it'll sound like from the frequency-plot on the Celestion site. Seems like it'd handle distortion better than most other 10" speakers, but that's only a guess. The spec sheet also indicates that it is rather inefficient and therefore rather quiet. Honestly, if you want a metal sound, you typically want 12" speakers, and the right kind at that. You'll find that many cabs come with the Celestion Vintage 30, which is the most popular speaker for metal, and while there are other speakers you might like just as well, it's hard to go wrong with a V30 for high-gain sounds.

The TH30 is not as gainy as dedicated metal amps, but has enough gain for most applications.
Gain is not the problem. The troublesome part is that it has no 3-band EQ like other amps, but just one knob that goes from a bass-heavy, muffled sound on one end to a thin, trebly sound on the other. In between these two extremes, it's got a lot of great rock sounds, but there is nothing available that sounds "metal" to me... the clip you linked to is absolutely the opposite of what that amp does. You'll want something that has extended bass and plenty of clarity and presence at the same time, and the TH30 just gives you either this or that, but never both.

1500€ is a serious budget. I'd recommend you go for a dedicated high-gain amp.

Look at the Engl Blackmore for a start:
http://www.thomann.de/be/engl_blackmore_signature_e650_topteil.htm
It will easily do everything you asked for and then some. Not as many extras as the pricier Engls, but the tone's just as great imo.

A Laney VH100R has just as much gain on tap, but doesn't sound as "modern", though for your tastes, that does not seem to be a problem:
http://www.thomann.de/be/laney_vh100rn.htm
It's got seperate EQs for each channel, reverb, and more routing-options for the loop than the Engl. More of a classic British tone than the Engl and arguably a little less versatile.

Lastly, I have not tried this, but it gets recommended for the sounds you asked for a lot, so it can't hurt to have a look:
http://www.thomann.de/be/jet_city_amplification_jca50h.htm

This does not leave much cash for the cab, so I recommend you look at a good 2x12". These come to mind, the HB cab is cheap and decent, the Framus went up in price recently, and I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore when a bit more can get you the Orange or Engl:
http://www.thomann.de/be/harley_benton_g212_vintage.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/framus_fr212_cb.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/orange_ppc212_gitarrenbox.htm
http://www.thomann.de/be/engl_e212v_gitarrenbox.htm

You can also get very very nice, custom-built 2x12"-cabs from manufacturers like Zilla or Tubetown between 400€-500€. People keep telling me Celestion G12K drivers work really well with the VH100R should you decide to go the custom-route.


So what if I put an equalizer pedal in the fx loop?
I tried what you say about the bass and treble on my amp I have now, and you're right, but I like the sound when it has a lot of bass and treble, but I also like the sound when it has lost of treble and not much bass (which the orange amp CAN do?)

I already tested the engl blackmore at the shop, I didn't really like it's sound (or perhaps I had the eq set all wrong), I will have a look at the laney and jet city, if they have them at the shop,cuz I don't like buying something I can't test heavily .

Thanks for all the info mate, didn't expect to get that much information out of one person


Quote by ProgFolk12
If you went for a 212 instead of a 412 could you stretch to a rockerverb 50/100 rather than a thunder 30? I imagine that would do a better job of what you want and would still get the orange sound.


Since the 212's are about 550€ and the rockerverb 50 head is about 1400€, it's gonna be though, yet I may check a 2hand shop where they sell orange heads and cabs, perhaps they'll have a cheap, yet reliable 2nd hand head/cab there.

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Gear:
Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro
#13
I agree with Quail/Duck above. I've had the ThunderVerb 200 and I used it for both guitar and bass, very versatile indeed. It had no issues going all the way to old school Metal but for the stuff you want, I'd like to add the RockerVerb 100 MK II.

IpponEdit: ProgFolk12 mentioned the RV 100, too.

Last edited by Ippon at Jul 10, 2011,
#14
If you can buy used get it it will save you money and generaly speaking Orange is a well made amp that will last for decades.
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#15
An EQ-pedal can be used to fix a lot of things... however, I'd still rather have one of the amps I listed or the Rockerverb that others mentioned for high-gain.
#16
I think I'll look after a used rockerverb 50 (perhaps 100, but that might be too loud to be able to play at home too), and a used cab, and when I don't find one I'll go for the thunder 30 head with the 412 cab and an eq pedal?

#2 of the Orange TH30 Clique
Gear:
Orange TH30 Head
Orange PPC410 Cab
Ibanez ART500e
Cort KX5
Almansa 434 Cedro