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#1
Hello my dear Pittie-witties,

There has been a huge number of complaints to the UK Advertising Standards Authority regarding homeopathy websites. You can read about it here -

http://www.asa.org.uk/Resource-Centre/Hot-Topics/Homeopathy-complaints.aspx

Of course, homeopaths are getting a bit butthurt about it. You can have your say by completing a survey they intend to present to the ASA here -

http://j.mp/qkzynk

So what do you think? Does homeopathy advertise itself misleadingly, and is it right to crack down on it like this? Do people need protecting from pseudoscientific medicine, or do the people stupid enough to fall for their schtick have the right to do so?


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EDIT: If you don't know what homeopathy is, you can find out from the Society of Homeopaths, here -

http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeopathy/

It's generally very controversial (at least it is in the UK), as it is available on the NHS but doesn't really have a scientific basis.
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#2
I don't even know what homeopathy is.
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#4
Homeopathy is an 'alternative medicine' practice that's based of the idea that a small amount of something will cure something i.e. a small amount of malaria will cure actual malaria. They make their 'medicine' by diluting a drop of a substance and shaking it. Shaking being a technical part of the process. Then they do it again and again until you're left with what is actually just water.
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#5
Would this be like magical crystal healing with chakras and special spices and herbs and that sorta shit?

Edit: Ah, I guess not.
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#6
Lubricant?


Oh wait, that's homopathic.
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#7
There's loads of those alternative medicine practices in use, everyday, we just take the stuff that actually works, and change it's name to Medicine
#8
As my proffesor in pseudoscience said about theese things;

If you're lucky, you're buying water.
If you're unlucky, you're buying dirty water.

I think it's a good thing to come down on them and expose the frauds that they are. You might be a fool to buy this stuff but you might not deserve it, and besides I'm always for educating people, how else would we progress?
#9
I think we should stop allowing advertisements for sicknessesdrugs.
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#10
I don't believe in this shit, but It is very popular in my country and a lot of people I know swear it works.
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There's loads of those alternative medicine practices in use, everyday, we just take the stuff that actually works, and change it's name to Medicine

That's not really a fair account of where medicines come from, and it certainly doesn't justify bad science like homeopathy.
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#12
Homeopathic medicine has saved so many lives, you'd have to be an idiot not to believe it works. IT REALLY DOES! TRUST ME.

I work for a large pharmaceutical company in which we sell homeopathic medicine. No one has ever been hurt using our homeopathic medicine!
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Homeopathic medicine has saved so many lives, you'd have to be an idiot not to believe it works. IT REALLY DOES! TRUST ME.

I work for a large pharmaceutical company in which we sell homeopathic medicine. No one has ever been hurt using our homeopathic medicine!


If you're not trolling, you would have to prove it using a double blind control group given a placebo.
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Homeopathy is an 'alternative medicine' practice that's based of the idea that a small amount of something will cure something i.e. a small amount of malaria will cure actual malaria. They make their 'medicine' by diluting a drop of a substance and shaking it. Shaking being a technical part of the process. Then they do it again and again until you're left with what is actually just water.

Sounds a bit similar to vaccines, no?
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If I worked for a large pharmaceutical company, do you think I'd be sitting here in my underpants reading threads in the pit?

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#18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

Why homeopathy is a large sack of horse shit, and if anyone believes it is a ****ing moron. There is not a single part in the process of homeopathy that is even somewhat intelligent or logical by any means.
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Sounds a bit similar to vaccines, no?

No.

Your ignorance regarding modern vaccines is astounding.
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an 'alternative medicine' practice that's based of the idea that a small amount of something will cure something i.e. a small amount of malaria will cure actual malaria

you're roughly describing a vaccine.

I think that homeopathy is a term used wrongly to band together both alternative and herbal medicines, healyhealy crystal reiki bs and anything in between. I'm sure there's some very effective and scientifically proven herbal medicines, and I'm sure there's some crystal healing methods that are just scams for nutjobs...

I think having more than one option in terms of medicines available on the NHS is important, but on the other hand I don't want any money I pay in tax being wasted on non-effective hippy juice being given out to anyone that wants it
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Sounds a bit similar to vaccines, no?

Admittedly, yes, but that's why they get away with it. The dilution process involved in homeopathy reduces the amount of active ingredient to less than one in the number of atoms of water in the ocean, so you're really not taking anything other than water.

Also, as mentioned above, vaccines don't really work like that, people just think they do.
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#23
Homeopathy to exist in this modern age is ridiculous.
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you're roughly describing a vaccine.

I think that homeopathy is a term used wrongly to band together both alternative and herbal medicines, healyhealy crystal reiki bs and anything in between. I'm sure there's some very effective and scientifically proven herbal medicines, and I'm sure there's some crystal healing methods that are just scams for nutjobs...


Watch what you say, my grandma is a crystal healer. I dont believe that what she does helps, but she believes it and is in no way a scammer. She barely makes enough to survive. She's doing it because honestly believes she helps people.
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Watch what you say, my grandma is a crystal healer. I dont believe that what she does helps, but she believes it and is in no way a scammer. She barely makes enough to survive. She's doing it because honestly believes she helps people.

my auntie sends me crystals and that kinda stuff for my birthday/christmas, and she honestly thinks that it helps her. I don't think there's a problem with it existing at all, If that's what people want to spend their money on then that's fine by me. But I wouldn't want it as a prescription treatment on the NHS, because the only way I can think of that it would work in any way would be as a placebo.
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Watch what you say, my grandma is a crystal healer. I dont believe that what she does helps, but she believes it and is in no way a scammer. She barely makes enough to survive. She's doing it because honestly believes she helps people.

Well, she kind of is a scammer. She doesn't realise she is one, but she is. A gypsy with a mental disorder that makes her really really believe that she is actually telling the future is still not providing the actual service advertised (telling the future) despite her delusion, similarly your grandmother is not actually healing anyone despite claiming the ability to do so.
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#31
I have some respect for homeopaths that have a lot of knowledge on the issue they're trying to cure. I'm talking about the ones that are trying to cure people with different herbs or ways of life - AS LONG AS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!
On the other hand, I have little to no respect for homeopaths that are either incredibly naive or are rip-of artists. I'm talking about the ones that try to sell you magic crystals, 'potions', angel tears etc. I'm not even sure if these are considered homeopaths


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Well, she kind of is a scammer. She doesn't realise she is one, but she is. A gypsy with a mental disorder that makes her really really believe that she is actually telling the future is still not providing the actual service advertised (telling the future) despite her delusion, similarly your grandmother is not actually healing anyone despite claiming the ability to do so.


Theres a difference between fortune tellers and healers. A lady went to her gynecologist because she was unable to have kids. The gynecologist couldn't find anything physically wrong with her, so he suggested that she go to my grandmother. My grandma got her to open up to her, gave her comfort, advice, some herbal tonic, and the lady got pregnant the next month. Im not saying it wasn't a placebo or that anything supernatural happened, that would be ridiculous, but she clearly helped the lady. And this wasn't a one time occurrence, it happens more often than you think.
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#33
Why do you think Homeopaths are being treated in this way?
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Theres a difference between fortune tellers and healers. A lady went to her gynecologist because she was unable to have kids. The gynecologist couldn't find anything physically wrong with her, so he suggested that she go to my grandmother. My grandma got her to open up to her, gave her comfort, advice, some herbal tonic, and the lady got pregnant the next month. Im not saying it wasn't a placebo or that anything supernatural happened, that would be ridiculous, but she clearly helped the lady. And this wasn't a one time occurrence, it happens more often than you think.

A gynecologist suggested a woman go to a woman with magical powers? Do you live in a village?

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Watch what you say, my grandma is a crystal healer. I dont believe that what she does helps, but she believes it and is in no way a scammer. She barely makes enough to survive. She's doing it because honestly believes she helps people.

She is harming people, though.
#35
There's not a homepathic remedy for anything except dehydration. If they say it cures anything else they're being misleading.

When it comes to medicine (among others) you should have some standards and regulations so the people needing healthcare don't get screwed. Homeopathy doesn't meet any standards and anyone promoting it as an alternative to medicine should be put on an island and left there.
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Theres a difference between fortune tellers and healers. A lady went to her gynecologist because she was unable to have kids. The gynecologist couldn't find anything physically wrong with her, so he suggested that she go to my grandmother. My grandma got her to open up to her, gave her comfort, advice, some herbal tonic, and the lady got pregnant the next month. Im not saying it wasn't a placebo or that anything supernatural happened, that would be ridiculous, but she clearly helped the lady. And this wasn't a one time occurrence, it happens more often than you think.

Coincidences happen quite frequently. Fortune tellers experience them too, in fact their "placebo effect", self fulfilling prophecy, is even more powerful. The fact remains though that your grandmother is not providing the service that she claims to (assuming she claims that she is healing people, rather than simply being a nice lady).

Also, if a medical ethics board found out about the actions of that gynaecologist (referring someone for a treatment with no efficacy results or scientific approval) she would run a very real risk of being struck off the register, and rightly so.
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=Does homeopathy advertise itself misleadingly, and is it right to crack down on it like this?

Hell yes mother****er.

Get that shit off the ****in NHS too.

I shouldn't even need to say this shit.

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This.

Although it has to be said there has to be an increase of alternative medicine research, not only to debunk the fake ones, but to also provide real alternatives to the current medicine - as it's becoming less and less effective as our bodies get used to the chemicals we stuff ourselves with.
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This.

Although it has to be said there has to be an increase of alternative medicine research, not only to debunk the fake ones, but to also provide real alternatives to the current medicine - as it's becoming less and less effective as our bodies get used to the chemicals we stuff ourselves with.

First I heard of it. Where are you getting that from?
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