#1
All right, now that you have insulted your own intelligence by looking at my thread, I ask you to help me find a new practice/gig amp.

Budget? I would say a flexible 200$, I'm just a typical 16 year old guitarist, abundance is everywhere.... Except here.

Genres? I play mostly lighter tones of metal, nothing really heavy, but it does require a little more punch, some of my favorite tones come from Kirk Hammet of Metallica and Dave Murray of Iron Maiden. I would also like some good clean tones.

New or Used? Neither matters, as long as it works.

Home or gig? I would say both, I'm talking more like a club to highschool gym or small auditorium sized amp.

Closest city? I live in a town called Springdale (For reference, there are guitar shops all over the place here), but the closest is Pittsburgh.

Current Gear? I may be poor but probably because of my guitars, I use an ESP LTD M-300FM, ESP LTD EC-401, ESP LTD EC-256, a Jackson JS30 Rhoads, and an Ibanez RG350EX. I have NO equipment, I sold almost all of it, and the rest is on craigslist.

It's more of a melodic metal tone I'm looking for, sharp but still a little heavy. A lot of Blackstars have the tones but I can't find a cheap one, and I found 2 current amps I need opinions about. If a pedal is recommended please state one, I have been particularly interested in the Xotics and tc electronic series of pedals.

The VOX valvetronix vt20plus 170$
Fender Frontman 65R 200$
#2
the frontman is shit so dont even consider it. the vox is a great amp but i really dont think it is well suited for wat ur looking for. i would suggest saving ur money until u can get urself a decent tube amp. jet city makes some nice stuff for a pretty reasonable price. for $200 ur not gonna get very far... take a look into the jet cities. nice tone, nice punch, and if u need more oomph, just put a pedal in front of it
#3
Just saying, I would sell the 256 as you already have a 401, and try to go swing a nice used amp.
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#4
Would your gigs be mic'd?

I recommend a used Peavey Vypyr 30 w/ a used Sanpera I.
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#5
^ i very highly recomend agaisnt the vypyr. ya, its versatile and the sanpera makes life easy, but i had the 75 and never had anything but issues with it and the tone sucked. if you feel u need a modeling amp, take a look at the fender mustang or g-dec 3.
#6
Ha, I get what you are saying but I'm actually getting a major deal to sell it, someone is offering me like 400$ over what I payed for the 401.

And all my gigs are are mic'd, otherwise I would shout very loud to sing, also, I'm trying to stay away from Peavey, Line 6, and more of the beginner companies, I'm looking for major company amps but unfortunately, they aren't that cheap.
#7
Quote by Greatdude49
Ha, I get what you are saying but I'm actually getting a major deal to sell it, someone is offering me like 400$ over what I payed for the 401.

And all my gigs are are mic'd, otherwise I would shout very loud to sing, also, I'm trying to stay away from Peavey, Line 6, and more of the beginner companies, I'm looking for major company amps but unfortunately, they aren't that cheap.


again, if thats wat ur going for just wait a little bit and save up for something more along the lines of a jet city. you could also go along the lines of wat i did and get a vht special 6 ultra. its a great amp but it is bare bones and ull need a few pedals to really tweak ur tone. atleast with the jet city u'll have a bit more to start out with
#8
Quote by andrerist
again, if thats wat ur going for just wait a little bit and save up for something more along the lines of a jet city. you could also go along the lines of wat i did and get a vht special 6 ultra. its a great amp but it is bare bones and ull need a few pedals to really tweak ur tone. atleast with the jet city u'll have a bit more to start out with


Can't do that, I need a new amp by Friday so I need to make haste with like 200$ and then 100$ on reserve for a pedal I'm getting unless I find a better.
#9
if u need an amp that quick and it doesnt have to be gig worthy, just get a fender mustang to hold u over. nice tone, can do just about any kind of music, u can mike it up, or hook it up to a computer and a pa system if u really need to gig with it. save u money until u can get a good, gig worthy amp
#10
Quote by Greatdude49

I'm trying to stay away from Peavey, Line 6, and more of the beginner companies, I'm looking for major company amps but unfortunately, they aren't that cheap.




Both of those companies make high end amps - L6 moreso than Peavey.
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My band:
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Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
#11
You have 5 mid-rangey guitars...

Can't you sell like 2 or 3 of the guitars and put the money towards a new amp? If you hunt used, you can definitely get a Blackstar.
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#12
I was thinking about the mustang but I never was too sure about it.

I need more opinions on the Vox, I still need to try the frontman for myself but I love the vox, it has every effect from here to Jesus.

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Both of those companies make high end amps - L6 moreso than Peavey.


Yeah, I'm just staying away from them, the Peavy amp heads are good, I just don't like much else of their gear. I prefer my Mesa Dual rectifier, but the trailer I put all the gear in needs a new wheel and I need a smaller amp anyway, the Dual rectifier and a small bar don't mix as well as you think.

You have 5 mid-rangey guitars...

Can't you sell like 2 or 3 of the guitars and put the money towards a new amp? If you hunt used, you can definitely get a Blackstar.


Nah, and here is an example.

EC-401 I bought for let's say around 800$, no shop will even give me half of that. Besides, I hate eBay and I'm starting to hate on craigslist too, nobody will buy ANYTHING over 50$.
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#13
Quote by Greatdude49
Yeah, I'm just staying away from them, the Peavy amp heads are good, I just don't like much else of their gear. I prefer my Mesa Dual rectifier, but the trailer I put all the gear in needs a new wheel and I need a smaller amp anyway, the Dual rectifier and a small bar don't mix as well as you think.


What? Your story doesn't make sense.... I smell a troll.
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#14
Since you're going to be gigging, just save up and get a nice tube amp.
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#15
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What? Your story doesn't make sense.... I smell a troll.


Simple, I don't like Line 6 or Peavy gear other than some of the amp heads. I would use my Mesa but it's freaking giant with all the gear I have with it, I use a trailer to haul it and all of the bands gear, one of the wheels is a piece of crap and I can barely fit my guitar and salvagable gear with me in my truck, the back already has every spare piece of junk possible except a wheel that would destroy my equipment. And I also tried taking my Mesa to a bar for a gig with a tiny stage, it barely fit because the stage is like 5-7 feet off the ground and who needs a Rectifier for a bar the size of a gas station? I just need a smaller amp because this friday I'm playing in a similar bar and I'm the only one without a small amp.

Yeah don't even read that. Long story short, I need a small amp.
#16
Quote by Greatdude49
Simple, I don't like Line 6 or Peavy gear other than some of the amp heads. I would use my Mesa but it's freaking giant with all the gear I have with it, I use a trailer to haul it and all of the bands gear, one of the wheels is a piece of crap and I can barely fit my guitar and salvagable gear with me in my truck, the back already has every spare piece of junk possible except a wheel that would destroy my equipment. And I also tried taking my Mesa to a bar for a gig with a tiny stage, it barely fit because the stage is like 5-7 feet off the ground and who needs a Rectifier for a bar the size of a gas station? I just need a smaller amp because this friday I'm playing in a similar bar and I'm the only one without a small amp.

Yeah don't even read that. Long story short, I need a small amp.


No, I'm pointing to the fact that you spec'ed a $200 budget... and look for a beginner amp... when you already have a Recto.

Fair that in retrospect, it makes sense in a practical / financial way... but definitely not from a tonal perspective when I read it.

Personally, if there was a PA at the venue, I'd recommend a Pod HD + FBV direct to PA. Failing that, I'd recommend a Peavey Vypyr 30. Other than the HT20 Studio, I don't think any of the lower end Blackstars are really capable of high gain.

The only problem is that any of those rigs would run higher than your spec'ed budget, unless you go used... but I'm not sure how fast you'll be able to score a Vypyr at this time of the week.
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#17
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No, I'm pointing to the fact that you spec'ed a $200 budget... and look for a beginner amp... when you already have a Recto.


Yeah... I bought a crap load of guitars and mics and a big nice amp and then went without car insurance for like 4 months with overtime at work, now I have a nice truck, used to be nice trailer until the wheel broke after 4 months, I got arrested for driving without insurance, and now I'm trying to throw everything back to normal, I'm selling my equipment I don't use and getting stuff I need, unfortunately after the trailer broke and I paid for it to get repaired, I'm left with a little bit of cash.

Ahh the joys of f*** my life.

Now I'm sure everyone is just thrilled to learn about my personal life but does anybody know anything aout the Roland Cubes? Or maybe the Randalls? ALSO, anything on the Marshall MG4 series MG30FX?
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#18
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Yeah... I bought a crap load of guitars and mics and a big nice amp and then went without car insurance for like 4 months with overtime at work, now I have a nice truck, used to be nice trailer until the wheel broke after 4 months, I got arrested for driving without insurance, and now I'm trying to throw everything back to normal, I'm selling my equipment I don't use and getting stuff I need, unfortunately after the trailer broke and I paid for it to get repaired, I'm left with a little bit of cash.

Ahh the joys of f*** my life.

Now I'm sure everyone is just thrilled to learn about my personal life but does anybody know anything aout the Roland Cubes? Or maybe the Randalls? ALSO, anything on the Marshall MG4 series MG30FX?



Ermmm... yeah, ok, moving on swiftly

Anyway, the Roland Cubes are sorta "Jack of all trades, master of none" amps to me. They have a wide variety of tones, generally good, but doesn't really excel at any one set of tones.

The MG... everyone says the MG4 sound better than the MG3... to me they still sound sterile and basically expensive for what they are charging.
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#19
given ur situation, y dont u just buy amplitube? (assuming u have a laptop). my guitar teacher actually uses it for lots of his gigs if they have a PA and he doesnt feel like draggin his amps. he says the sound quality is amazing and u have everything ull need all at ur finger tips. and for the software and iRig to plug ur guitar into the computer is probably $100 total
#20
Quote by andrerist
given ur situation, y dont u just buy amplitube? (assuming u have a laptop). my guitar teacher actually uses it for lots of his gigs if they have a PA and he doesnt feel like draggin his amps. he says the sound quality is amazing and u have everything ull need all at ur finger tips. and for the software and iRig to plug ur guitar into the computer is probably $100 total


Actually... for any, ANY, metal tone... I'd still recommend the Peavey ReValver III... its algorithms' dynamics of a tube amp are unparalleled.
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#21
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You have 5 mid-rangey guitars...

Can't you sell like 2 or 3 of the guitars and put the money towards a new amp? If you hunt used, you can definitely get a Blackstar.


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#22
Quote by Greatdude49
Yeah... I bought a crap load of guitars and mics and a big nice amp and then went without car insurance for like 4 months with overtime at work, now I have a nice truck, used to be nice trailer until the wheel broke after 4 months, I got arrested for driving without insurance, and now I'm trying to throw everything back to normal, I'm selling my equipment I don't use and getting stuff I need, unfortunately after the trailer broke and I paid for it to get repaired, I'm left with a little bit of cash.

Ahh the joys of f*** my life.

Now I'm sure everyone is just thrilled to learn about my personal life but does anybody know anything aout the Roland Cubes? Or maybe the Randalls? ALSO, anything on the Marshall MG4 series MG30FX?


ummm.. if your current Mesa is "to big' then why not sell that and get a smaller yet still good amp? most venues can be played with a 1x12 combo or a 2x12 if you really feel the need. a trailer? dude i can fit all the gear i need for a gig in the back set of my ford escort so if you have a truck why would you need a trailer to.
#23
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ummm.. if your current Mesa is "to big' then why not sell that and get a smaller yet still good amp? most venues can be played with a 1x12 combo or a 2x12 if you really feel the need. a trailer? dude i can fit all the gear i need for a gig in the back set of my ford escort so if you have a truck why would you need a trailer to.


+1

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#24
Quote by monwobobbo
ummm.. if your current Mesa is "to big' then why not sell that and get a smaller yet still good amp? most venues can be played with a 1x12 combo or a 2x12 if you really feel the need. a trailer? dude i can fit all the gear i need for a gig in the back set of my ford escort so if you have a truck why would you need a trailer to.


It's too sexy, I could never part ways with it, it looks and sounds too good to sell, and then what if I get a big venue and I have some 1x12 combo 30watt piece of crap when I could have the recto? Well, crap only when compared to the recto I suppose.

I think I'm going to the local shop today to try out some amps, used Blackstar, Fender mustang, Vox vt20, and Fender frontman but I have a feeling if I don't find a good Blackstar, it's going to be the vox or the mustang.
#25
Or how about just buying a 1x12 or 2x12 cab for the recto to cut down on lugging. The head weighs a fair amount and so does the cab, but a 2x12 will cut the weight in half. Also, unless all those guitars have different pickups and tunings, sell some off.

Also, as suggested, sell the recto and buy a combo.
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#26
Honestly mate I woulde suggest something along the same lines as Kitty. For smaller gigs (and the VAST majority these days have a PA) then get something like a POD X3 or HD and go direct.

Alternatively save a little more for something that would be more effective for you. I personally would stay away from the Frontman. The Vox's are good but for what you want? I dunno. I would rather check out a Line 6 Flextone rather than the Vox VT (and please don't trash the flextone! Just don't)

Can't comment on the mustang so .....

I dunno - I reckon saving some bucks for the time being or if time does not allow then spring for the POD. Seriously, good tone and portable, eespecially the HD series.