why a resource based economy will not be a reality regardless of people's support

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No matter how many people support the zeitgeist movement or the venus project, it is always gonna come down to the people in power. They are the ones with the ability to make a global radical change happen, and you know what, they won't. Because that same people with the power to do it are the ones getting the most from the monetary system, they owe all the power they have to the monetary system, why would they want to change anything at all?. In fact, I not only think they will never do anything to change the system, but they will actually try to frustrate any organization trying to do so.

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You follow the zeitgeist movement?

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You follow the zeitgeist movement?



Im not exactly a follower, this was just an opinion. I do subscribe to many of the ideas created by the zeitgeist movement though.

I think anyone who actually thinks the current system is okay is definitely a waste of time and someone with no vision whatsoever. Many of them are obviously upper middle class who don't really feel affected by the system themselves (even if they are) and lack the ability to comprehend the state the world is in today.
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Can you try and make more sense?


well, if you don't know what the venus project is, and you don't know how a resource based economy works, then of course this isn't gonna make much sense to you.
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How do services work in a resource based economy... exactly they don't.
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well, if you don't know what the venus project is, and you don't know how a resource based economy works, then of course this isn't gonna make much sense to you.



Then you'd do well to explain it all before making a thread on a public forum while deliberately aiming this post at people who are aware of this issue.
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Quote by Zeletros
Then you'd do well to explain it all before making a thread on a public forum while deliberately aiming this post at people who are aware of this issue.


I left a link there to the venus project website, all you need to know is there, I encourage you to go and see what it's all about.
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How do services work in a resource based economy... exactly they don't.



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The Venus Project is asking for donations to do a major motion picture depicting life in a resource-based economy. The film is designed to reach the general public throughout the world to introduce an exciting sustainable new social direction depicting a vision of what our future can be if we intelligently apply science and technology with environmental and human concern--a future where war, poverty and hunger could be but a distant memory..


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I left a link there to the venus project website, all you need to know is there, I encourage you to go and see what it's all about.



You don't actually expect anyone to follow any links in a thread
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Quote by Cocolate
No matter how many people support the zeitgeist movement or the venus project, it is always gonna come down to the people in power. They are the ones with the ability to make a global radical change happen, and you know what, they won't. Because that same people with the power to do it are the ones getting the most from the monetary system, they owe all the power they have to the monetary system, why would they want to change anything at all?. In fact, I not only think they will never do anything to change the system, but they will actually try to frustrate any organization trying to do so.

The Venus project dot com


What ****ing resources do you have? I guarantee you that you have more money than resources, so why do you want to go to a resource based economy?
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"Give us money so we can make a movie showing you how stupid money is"


resource based economy does not mean using natural resources as money... The entire monetary system is obsolete in this new system, and btw, the zeitgeist movement doesn't ask for donations

funny though
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I believe that we should be more focused on advancing as a race instead of wasting money on other stupid shit.

Obama should have never cut funding to NASA, no we're that much further behind. Money spent on war could have been spent on better technology in not only space exploration, but medical equipment, food supply, transportation, housing, etc etc.

I don't know if this has anything to do with the topic, but I wanted to say it.
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#18
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What ****ing resources do you have? I guarantee you that you have more money than resources, so why do you want to go to a resource based economy?


you don't understand what you're talking about, please read what a resource based economy is all about here, at least just to have a basic idea of what it is.

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I believe that we should be more focused on advancing as a race instead of wasting money on other stupid shit.

Obama should have never cut funding to NASA, no we're that much further behind. Money spent on war could have been spent on better technology in not only space exploration, but medical equipment, food supply, transportation, housing, etc etc.

I don't know if this has anything to do with the topic, but I wanted to say it.


the idea of the new system is that money is irrelevant.

"...our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival."
#21
Quote by Cocolate
resource based economy does not mean using natural resources as money... The entire monetary system is obsolete in this new system, and btw, the zeitgeist movement doesn't ask for donations

funny though



The first part was a joke.
And that second part came directly from the f*cking link you provided. That thing I quoted was on the front page of project Venus. Either you're lying or you haven't read your own source
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#22
I just looked at OP and actually developed an opinion.

Who gives a shit? How many zeitgeists are there on UG that you know of? Your trying to dispel a belief that a minuscule amount of the UG community has. If any! Also, are you trying to propose an alternative to zeitgism? Are you asking us our opinion? What is the point of this? raise awareness to a group of people who don't care?
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just throwing this out - there isnt/shouldnt be more money than resources/products etc.
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#24
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I'm not going to go to your shitty Venus project conspiracy bullshit website.


yeah, I guess you're better off being a slave of the monetary system right?

let me guess, are you the kind of person that would go to war to defend the interests of some crooked corporation because they brainwashed you into thinking you're actually fighting for your country and what's right? bleh
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I think you need to get some better PR people, try using money.
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yeah, I guess you're better off being a slave of the monetary system right?

let me guess, are you the kind of person that would go to war to defend the interests of some crooked corporation because they brainwashed you into thinking you're actually fighting for your country and what's right? bleh

No, I'm the kind of person who thinks for himself and doesn't follow stupid ass movements that start online, all the while quoting off people I have never met in the hopes of appearing smarter than I am.
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I just looked at OP and actually developed an opinion.

Who gives a shit? How many zeitgeists are there on UG that you know of? Your trying to dispel a belief that a minuscule amount of the UG community has. If any! Also, are you trying to propose an alternative to zeitgism? Are you asking us our opinion? What is the point of this? raise awareness to a group of people who don't care?


I think you should care, I think all of us should care, but not all of us are very aware of what's actually going on right now. My original point was that regardless of how many people get involved, they who have the power in the monetary system will frustrate any attempt to change it, but awareness is key to have at least a starting point.
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yeah, I guess you're better off being a slave of the monetary system right?

let me guess, are you the kind of person that would go to war to defend the interests of some crooked corporation because they brainwashed you into thinking you're actually fighting for your country and what's right? bleh



you're the kind of person who hears a crazy ass anti-establishment plan and you jump on board without reading the website, aren't you? bleh
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No, I'm the kind of person who thinks for himself and doesn't follow stupid ass movements that start online, all the while quoting off people I have never met in the hopes of appearing smarter than I am.


this movement did not start online. There are real people, real faces, real efforts behind all this. There are conferences, interviews, remarkable people doing real things. No one is trying to be smarter than anyone, the whole idea of the project is about cooperation, you can think whatever you want, but I encourage you to keep an open mind.

And some of these real people you could listen to are Jaques Fresco and Peter Joseph.
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yeah, I guess you're better off being a slave of the monetary system right?

let me guess, are you the kind of person that would go to war to defend the interests of some crooked corporation because they brainwashed you into thinking you're actually fighting for your country and what's right? bleh


People like you annoy me, as nice of an idea as a resource based economy where we all wear the same coloured robes and socks and sandles is, it's just as flawed as any other system.
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#32
If it's never going to happen, then why are you trying to advertise it to everyone?
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#33
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The first part was a joke.
And that second part came directly from the f*cking link you provided. That thing I quoted was on the front page of project Venus. Either you're lying or you haven't read your own source


All I can tell you is to inform yourself before going off on people who apparently think different from you.
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The Nambla movement did not start online. There are real people, real faces, real efforts behind all this. There are conferences, interviews, remarkable people doing real things. No one is trying to be smarter than anyone, the whole idea of the project is about cooperation, you can think whatever you want, but I encourage you to keep an open mind.


With one minor change you could be advocating ANYTHING. Nothing you said here is actually advocating for Venus specifically.

Real people? Oh golly! WOW! No real people use the internet
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If it's never going to happen, then why are you trying to advertise it to everyone?


it will probably not happen in our generation, what is really important at this point is having enough awareness to actually have a starting point for all this.
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Quote by abdulalhazred
With one minor change you could be advocating ANYTHING. Nothing you said here is actually advocating for Venus specifically.

Real people? Oh golly! WOW! No real people use the internet


why are you opposing to something you apparently just heard about, is that how you react to any kind of new idea?. You are basically trying to attack me because I have an opinion on something, and for some reason you think the world is so good right now that any kind of change or idea must be discarded right away.

read. think. inform yourself
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why are you opposing to something you apparently just heard about, is that how you react to any kind of new idea?. You are basically trying to attack me because I have an opinion on something, and for some reason you think the world is so good right now that any kind of change or idea must be discarded right away.

read. think. inform yourself



You more or less called me a liar for quoting your own source, you asshat. I read much of the FAQ and it's vague bullshit. It's more or less "we want to change things. GRRR big government and rich people are mean"

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All I can tell you is to inform yourself before going off on people who apparently think different from you.


All I can tell you is to pull your head out of your ass

YOU are going off on people you don't know. you ranted at Dirge Humani I think and you don't know him.

Everything you have done in this thread is a waste of time. Your whole attempt at convincing us is "come on. Just do it"

or "If you'd just do the right research"

I love telling you this, but THAT isn't convincing. ANY group can use that same tact. It's pathetic and unconvincing. If you're trying to sell this crazy crap you're going to need to do it yourself. Not "Hey guys, read this stuff so you agree with me. Right now you're all wrong but I won't tell you why"
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#38
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People like you annoy me, as nice of an idea as a resource based economy where we all wear the same coloured robes and socks and sandles is, it's just as flawed as any other system.


I can't really reply to that because you simply still don't understand what a resource based economy is, you don't understand the automation, the strategic design the actual 'economizing'. I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but try to go back read again and understand if you want to make a new reply.
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Quote by abdulalhazred
You more or less called me a liar for quoting your own source, you asshat. I read much of the FAQ and it's vague bullshit. It's more or less "we want to change things. GRRR big government and rich people are mean"


All I can tell you is to pull your head out of your ass

YOU are going off on people you don't know. you ranted at Dirge Humani I think and you don't know him.

Everything you have done in this thread is a waste of time. Your whole attempt at convincing us is "come on. Just do it"

or "If you'd just do the right research"

I love telling you this, but THAT isn't convincing. ANY group can use that same tact. It's pathetic and unconvincing. If you're trying to sell this crazy crap you're going to need to do it yourself. Not "Hey guys, read this stuff so you agree with me. Right now you're all wrong but I won't tell you why"


I never told you to do anything, I just put up a link up there and made some comments, no one is forcing you to go click there and read what's all about, no one.

Again, im not trying to get you to do anything, It's pretty much up to you if you want to inform yourself or not, I was actually expecting people to read about it in order to understand the basics before replying to this. I don't get why some people replied at all if they don't know what they're talking about.

No one is asking you to reply to this, or to inform yourself about the zeitgeist movement, but if you're gonna keep replying, please do.

Else, you can just click up there where is says ultimate guitar dot come and go back to the home page thanks.
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So it's like socialism except with all resources not just the means of production?
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