#1
Ok so I'm planning on getting this amp and originally I was planning on dishing out the extra money for the 2x12 120 watt version of the amp, but now I'm wondering if I really need that.

As far as I know these are the pros and cons of the 120 watt 2x12 version of the amp in comparison to the 60 watt 1x12 version:

Pros:
-More potential power (duh)
-Fuller sound due to two speakers
-Pride in spending more money on a hobby I'm passionate about

Cons:
-Possibly too loud? (For when I want to play late at night in my bedroom. Can anyone confirm this?)
-Potential additional expenses and complexities for recording with a mic due to two speakers?
-More expensive(duh, but also more tubes to replace)
-Bigger/heavier(duh)

So what I want to know is, do I really need to get the 120 watt version? I just feel like I'm cheaping out on the 60 watt however I realize I can get a speaker cabinet to make up for the single speaker If I wanted to.

What do you guys think?
#2
You don't need the 120 watt version.
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#5
If you gig, and do midsize venues, the 120 is good. If you don't, you're wasting money. Ummm, I got a 120 in my bedroom ( ) but I don't care if my neighbors want to kill me. Anyway, if you need the 120 for gigs, you can still use it for bedroom practice by attenuating the signal a bit with an EQ or such (anything that has gain/volume with -dB's). The big downside to practicing with it, the tubes will cost near $300.00 for a full set (prices where I'm at) and you will need to replace them a lot more often if you practice with that amp. If you can afford it, I think you are far better off getting w/e 60 or 120, for gigs and a baby amp for practice.
#6
Alright cool I'll probably get the 60. The 60 is loud enough to gig with though right? Or at least play with a drummer?
#7
Quote by Stringz of Fury
Alright cool I'll probably get the 60. The 60 is loud enough to gig with though right? Or at least play with a drummer?


Yeah, I used to own it. It's more than enough to play with a drummer, and more than enough to do any small to medium sized gigs with.
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#8
never buy a 2x12 combo amp...if you need the power just get a head and cab, it'll be easier to transport dude TRUST ME

EDIT : also, i use two 50 watt tube amps. they are loud enough to do WHATEVER I WANT. also, if you're going to be playing big gigs, you're probably going to be run through a PA and at that point the size of your amp is irrelevant
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#9
I've used a 60W tube amp for decades and played some pretty big venues. Never ever wished I had more power. A common misconception is that you need to fill huge halls with the sound off your amp. It's bollocks. You have to be loud enough to be heard over the drums. If you need to be louder than that then the drums must be miked up. If you are miking the drums then you'll be miking the amp. It's that simple. No drummer is louder than a 60W tube amp.
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#11
Quote by Stringz of Fury
Just out of curiosity, can you tell me under what circumstances would anyone need the 120 watt version?


more headroom. and u forgot one con, its a modeler... find a tone u really like and go out and buy an amp that doesnt have to try and replicate the tone of something else. ya the built in effects r cool but in reality you dont need all of that to make urself a good guitarist.
#12
Quote by andrerist
more headroom. and u forgot one con, its a modeler... find a tone u really like and go out and buy an amp that doesnt have to try and replicate the tone of something else. ya the built in effects r cool but in reality you dont need all of that to make urself a good guitarist.


I like modellers as I don't have so much money that I have the ability to afford the perfect specialist amp for every style I like, as I play a HUGE variety of styles and I'd rather have an amp that can sound pretty good in most styles rather than an amp that sounds amazing in one style and "meh" in another.
#13
The Vypyr Tube is a steal for the price, and genuinely sounds great, better than any other modeller I've ever tried. I kinda miss mine.
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#14
Quote by ItsThatDude
never buy a 2x12 combo amp...if you need the power just get a head and cab, it'll be easier to transport dude TRUST ME


Despite what people say about only getting a head so you can swap cabs around, I fully agree with this.

Its helluva lot easier to move 1 head + 1 cab (more trips to the trunk; yes. However your back will thank you), than it is to move a bulky 212 combo.

Also, the Vypyr 212 uses identical speakers, so you actually only need to mic up one of the speakers and not both for recording. You'll really only need to mic up both if you're fiddling around with the mic placement.
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#15
^ dont the vypyrs have some kind of usb plug or something similar that you can plug in and use to record the amp?
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#16
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^ dont the vypyrs have some kind of usb plug or something similar that you can plug in and use to record the amp?


Yeah but I've heard that the amp doesn't actually make sound when you record that way and I've heard it doesn't sound as it does in real life. I think it's because its recording digitally or something instead of having a mic record what you actually hear from the amps speakers in real life.
#17
Man I just found a peavey JSX 212 used mint condition on ebay for $775... Should I save up a little more and get this and have my Line 6 Spider III for practice?
#18
If I walked on stage and somebody told me "you can plug into the Vyper or the JSX" I wouldn't give the Vyper a second glance.
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#19
Quote by ItsThatDude
never buy a 2x12 combo amp...if you need the power just get a head and cab, it'll be easier to transport dude TRUST ME


+1, hell i have a huge 1x12 and its a bitch to carry around. flextones aint light my friends. and having a cab with wheels and a head that weight a bit lighter (still weighs a ton) is so much easier
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Man I just found a peavey JSX 212 used mint condition on ebay for $775... Should I save up a little more and get this and have my Line 6 Spider III for practice?


Again it really depends on what you want and what sounds you like.

I'd pick the Vypyr over the JSX. The JSX has this smooth and mellow character to the distortion that really bites at me. A lot of people like it, but I find that is has too distinctive a character in its dirt that turns me off.

It can get high gain, but the smooth sound to me just reminds me too much of Satch. YMMV though, so you should try it. Much as a all-tube amp is generally preferable over a modeler... I'd pick the modeler here.

The JSX reminds me of an aging English gentleman with impeccable manners and decorum in a biker jacket with chains.
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Man I just found a peavey JSX 212 used mint condition on ebay for $775... Should I save up a little more and get this and have my Line 6 Spider III for practice?

Well besides what ragingkitty brought up you'll have a few other things to consider.

is it an auction or a buy it now? if its an auction the price may go up, or even be over with before you have the extra money to get it. if its a buy it now then it could be gone by the time you have the money all together.

also, you'll have to consider shipping charges if its not in your local area
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#22
^^ It's a buy it now and it has a couple weeks left and I really only need about $100-$200 more to have enough for it which I will make this weekend.

Also there is a few up for buyout at around that price, not just one.

What I'm really concerned about is I know it's versatile, but can it handle some serious metal?
#23
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serious metal?


What is serious metal?
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Lol I just mean metal in general. Anything from Metallica to something more metalcore like All that remains or whatever.
#25
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Lol I just mean metal in general. Anything from Metallica to something more metalcore like All that remains or whatever.


You can probably easily use it for NWOBHM or early 90s metal... but for modern metal like LOG, COB... or things like metalcore, I wouldn't go with a JSX. Again for this particular amp, YMMV.
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#26
Well, aside from the vypyr, can anyone suggest some insanely versatile amps under $1000? It needs to handle metal but also cleaner stuff.
#27
used or new? how many channels u want?
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#28
Quote by EspTro
used or new? how many channels u want?


If it's over $1000 new then I'll buy it used. I want at least 2 channels if its an all tube amp.
#29
Quote by ItsThatDude
never buy a 2x12 combo amp...if you need the power just get a head and cab, it'll be easier to transport dude TRUST ME

EDIT : also, i use two 50 watt tube amps. they are loud enough to do WHATEVER I WANT. also, if you're going to be playing big gigs, you're probably going to be run through a PA and at that point the size of your amp is irrelevant


This a thousand times over. Carting a 2x12 combo down a small flight of stairs is like walking on fishing wire over the grand canyon.

Also your back will thank you in the long run, stairs or not, it is just pure hell moving one of those around. I find moving my 4x12 far, far easier than my (sold) Bugera 6262 combo, and the cab doesn't even have wheels.

As for the wattages, I play a 120watt amp through a 4x12 in my bedroom and have no problems with it, go for the 120 if you want/need the headroom. More headroom = less breakup with the cleans/power tube sag on your lead channel.

I'm one for headroom, so if I were in your situation I'd jump on the 120, aside from it's flaw of being a 2x12 combo.

EDIT:

Just saw what genre's of music you play.

I say, get yourself a Peavey Ultra/XXX used ($300-400) and then snag a nice 2x12 cab with the remains of your wallet.
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#30
Mopy, get yourself a stair-walker trolley. They aren't expensive.
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#31
Well I mean I like my metal but I don't want an amp that only sounds good for metal I'd like to play some lighter cleaner stuff too.
#32
Quote by Cathbard
Mopy, get yourself a stair-walker trolley. They aren't expensive.


Heh, well, I'm not in the "stair" situation anymore. Was more of a 'my drummer's house was seriously unforgiving' sort of deal. Was just letting the man know that carrying a 2x12 combo isn't the most graceful thing you could put yourself through.
Although I must admit, that would've been a good idea at the time.


Quote by Stringz of Fury
Well I mean I like my metal but I don't want an amp that only sounds good for metal I'd like to play some lighter cleaner stuff too.


If you go for an Ultra/XXX you wont have any problems with the mid/low gain stuff, the cleans are surprisingly good for a high gain amp.
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#33
Quote by Stringz of Fury
Well I mean I like my metal but I don't want an amp that only sounds good for metal I'd like to play some lighter cleaner stuff too.



Used Carvin V3 should be right up your alley

*EDIT* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KujvAbLuXs&feature=related

theres a good display of how "serious" the metal tone can get. dont even begin to question its cleans
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#35
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Wow, yeah I really like that Carvin V3


yea man its my next buy. they go from $450-650 ish on the ol' ebays
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#37
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