#1
What's the point of having one? He just stand there wave his hands and no one even look at him.
#2
to keep everyone together. otherwise everyone would play off tempo.
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#3
What do you mean keep everyone together? have you watch a video of an orchestra, none of the ppl playing instruments even look at that guy who stand there, holding a stick and wave.
#4
To be honest, you seem to have no knowledge of orchestra. The conducter is sort of like the living breathing indicator of tempo, dynamic, and feeling change. There is perfect need for one. How else would the orchestra start? Would someone call out "OKAY GUYS LET'S PLAY BACH'S CELLO PRELUDE IN E MINOR IN 5-4-3-2-1-GO. Now that's just not classy.
#5
****ing google it or something if you obviously have no idea what they do.
#6
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What do you mean keep everyone together? have you watch a video of an orchestra, none of the ppl playing instruments even look at that guy who stand there, holding a stick and wave.


The ignorance in this thread.

It's staggering.

Most orchestras, unlike modern music, don't have percussion constantly keeping time, and as such, with a 100+ ensemble, it's going to sound like cacophony without a metronome. He's the human metronome you don't have going "Click click click" and ruining the mood. He also signals the musicians to play louder or softer, if I understand things right.

As for them not looking at him, these people can read sheet music as fluently as we read english text, if not moreso. You know how you can, when reading something off, read a few lines ahead, speak, and look away from the writing? They do that to make sure they're in-time and playing loud enough or soft enough.
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I study conducting. Conducting is the least understood role to outsiders. You can't know the incredible amount of influence that a conductor wields without having been on that podium. The players are looking at both the music and the baton. They are sensitive to even a micro movement of the hand. The conductor also has to cue players to initiate the next line of a part, since many parts of the orchestra frequently drop in and out. The conductor also influences the interpretation of the music, and goes far beyond the basic task of tempo monitoring. Expression, phrasing, dynamics, timbre, and dramatic impression are completely at the discretion of the conductor. That's not to say timing isn't a crucial role either. When working with soloists and formats like the concerto, there are frequent dissipation of rhythmic pulse while the soloist performs a free time passage. The conductor is responsible for communicating exactly when the soloist is starting and finishing, which would impossible to organize in a large orchestra between the players themselves. Then there are scores that are aleatoric such as Pendericki's Threnody or extremely rhythmically complex, such as Stravinsky's Petruchka. Players depend on the conductors with their lives.

Next time before you verbally vomit, take a second and think to yourself "Maybe I don't know everything. Maybe I'm actually an idiot."

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#11
I will now conduct beating you upside the head with a metrostick.

Everyone else in this thread can have a whack too.
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#12
Have you ever played a song in a band setting and your doing your little "crazy ending of wailing on your respective instruments" then have to end it at the same time and you kinda look at each other and give each other signals with your body language on when your going to hit that final note?

A conductor is there so an entire orchestra doesn't have to do that. He also does other things, as Xiaoxi explained. So before you go off showing everyone how stupid and arrogant you are, try checking out a site called Wikipedia.
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#13
hahah you guys are sooo mean to me lol

now i know how important that conductor guy is, so thanks guys!!
#16
No-one knows who he is, he just gets up there every time they play, and they're all too polite to remove him.
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#17
Even playing in smaller ensembles, playing with a conductor is SO much easier. It's much easier to follow one person who directs the whole band rather than keep communication with each musician, which you can imagine in a large orchestra would be impossible. And if it goes wrong, as long as you followed him/her correctly, you can blame it all on them
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#19
something tells me TS doesn't play in an orchestra...
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****ing google it or something if you obviously have no idea what they do.

exactly lol your are so misinformed
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#22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etpLYoaO3SQ

From this vid you learn how important the conductor is ( Ye i know that the vid is out of sync) But you are able to notice how players react to counductors hand movementes.
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#23
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I study conducting. Conducting is the least understood role to outsiders. You can't know the incredible amount of influence that a conductor wields without having been on that podium. The players are looking at both the music and the baton. They are sensitive to even a micro movement of the hand. The conductor also has to cue players to initiate the next line of a part, since many parts of the orchestra frequently drop in and out. The conductor also influences the interpretation of the music, and goes far beyond the basic task of tempo monitoring. Expression, phrasing, dynamics, timbre, and dramatic impression are completely at the discretion of the conductor. That's not to say timing isn't a crucial role either. When working with soloists and formats like the concerto, there are frequent dissipation of rhythmic pulse while the soloist performs a free time passage. The conductor is responsible for communicating exactly when the soloist is starting and finishing, which would impossible to organize in a large orchestra between the players themselves. Then there are scores that are aleatoric such as Pendericki's Threnody or extremely rhythmically complex, such as Stravinsky's Petruchka. Players depend on the conductors with their lives.

Next time before you verbally vomit, take a second and think to yourself "Maybe I don't know everything. Maybe I'm actually an idiot."



We get it, you like classical music. Jesus...
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We get it, you like classical music. Jesus...

I'm sorry for dumping an excess of information about conducting to prove a point.

Wait, no I'm not. Go fuck yourself.

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of course he's mad. that's what he does, he is a conductor. TS is basically saying "hey, this thing that you do, yeah, it's silly and pointless." i'd be mad too.
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#28
Xiaoxi is exactly right. Being an orchestral musician I would agree completely with what he says.
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what.... a ****ing dumbass.
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#30
I thought it was common sense?
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#32
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What do you mean keep everyone together? have you watch a video of an orchestra, none of the ppl playing instruments even look at that guy who stand there, holding a stick and wave.

They glance.
#33
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What do you mean keep everyone together? have you watch a video of an orchestra, none of the ppl playing instruments even look at that guy who stand there, holding a stick and wave.


Did you ever play well in one? I payed attention to the conductor all the time. Someone other than the poor double basses and tubas has to keep the tempo since the percussion isn't doing it.

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#35
I hear Google is a good way to avoid embarrassing oneself by spewing out questions in the same manner as TS.

Edit: Next time you decide to shit on any style of music, don't.
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Dude, Come on...
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#38
Lol, what a troll thread...

0/10 OP.


Also, a conductor is different to an orchestra leader. The orchestra leader tends to be the principal first violin.

In most ensembles, the conductor counts the time, controls the dynamics and any tempo changes or timbre changes. It's a very difficult job and it's frickin' nerve racking.
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