#1
So since i'm moving to uni and need a smaller setup I figured I'd get a smaller amp. I've narrowed my choice to these 3 as they're the only ones that my local stores actually have in to test but i'm not sure which one to go for.

The current setup would be my customized Les Paul Custom (double cutaway) with Seymour Duncan Blackouts going into either my Boss GT-8 or my Michael Angelo Batio signature overdrive and Morley Power Wah, then going into one of the amps above.

The stuff I play, and sound i'm looking for, is similar to Mark Tremonti's from Alter Bridge. So good overdrive and good cleans is effectively a must.

Based on features, sound and value, which do you guys think I should get?


EDIT: Does an effects loop really effect the resulting sound much? Or better yet, what does it actually do?
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#2
Hey man, all of those amps are great, all very versatile. I personally own a Blackstar HT-5 and love it, but now I'm buying an Axe-Fx II and as a result, I won't need it anymore. The cleans on the Blackstar are very pristine and warm. The gain side of things is also pretty damn versatile too. Can pull off some nice crunch, and when you wack an overdrive in front, you can even pull off some higher gain metal tones if you want too. On top of that, it can do bedroom levels and sound good. If you wanted to take it to a practice, it packs enough volume to get over a drummer with ease.

I'm selling my HT-5 with a 112 cabinet for $450. Perfect condition. They sell brand new together for roughly 550-600. Take a look man.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1464042

I might come across as a bit biased because I'm trying to sell mine, but wait to see what other people think, I'm sure you'll find they agree with me.
#4
the effects loop is useful if you're using delays/modulations/eq..
i can't remember the exact technical side but for example with a delay you get much better repeats and overall it enhances your overall sound having the fx loop.. (if it's used)

i've owned a ht5, played a tiny terror alot and only heard a marshall
personally i think having the 2 channel ht5 and because its quiter (5w) it wins for me..

the tiny terror is really sweet for a crunch sound, i wouldn't say it's great for leads..


then again if you're using a multi fx for your sounds the marshall maybe ok as your dry signal.. ?

if it was me it'd be ht5.
#5
what's your budget? home use or gigs or both? are you willing to buy online?
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#6
it's like:

Guitar - tuner, od, distortion - Amp preamp - effect loop send - eq, reverb, delay etc - effect loop return - Amp poweramp - speakers

if you want mini, get a minimat
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#7
^ yep. the fx loop is normally between the preamp and poweramp, so you can put modulation and time-based effects after (preamp) distortion.

if you mainly play with the amp clean, or use a lot of power amp distortion, you don't really need a loop. if you use a lot of preamp distortion and don't like the sound of mod/time-based fx before distortion, they're very useful. EDIT: they're also useful, as you said, for eq or for getting a volume boost out of a clean boost pedal (into the front of the amp, unless the amp is completely clean, it's normally more of an overdrive boost).
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^ yep. the fx loop is normally between the preamp and poweramp, so you can put modulation and time-based effects after (preamp) distortion.

if you mainly play with the amp clean, or use a lot of power amp distortion, you don't really need a loop. if you use a lot of preamp distortion and don't like the sound of mod/time-based fx before distortion, they're very useful. EDIT: they're also useful, as you said, for eq or for getting a volume boost out of a clean boost pedal (into the front of the amp, unless the amp is completely clean, it's normally more of an overdrive boost).



this ^^

i meant this in my post..
on my fx loop it can give a 10db boost... can be useful
#9
If you have a gt8. Get a set of good headphones instead. Your house mates might not take too keenly to you playing and you can't ever get loud anyway. If you need to have it louder hook up to a stereo or something.

Also pics of your Gibson?

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#10
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If you have a gt8. Get a set of good headphones instead. Your house mates might not take too keenly to you playing and you can't ever get loud anyway. If you need to have it louder hook up to a stereo or something.

Also pics of your Gibson?


Just don't buy anything too expensive
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#11
ah yeah that's a good point tom. in that case, though, certainly the class 5 is gonna be too loud (unless you get the newer version with the attenuator).

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this ^^

i meant this in my post..
on my fx loop it can give a 10db boost... can be useful


no worries, i wasn't meaning your post was wrong or anything. just when i saw tunder's post above mine it reminded me that he'd asked how fx loops work
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#12
I see.

I normally just stick my GT-8 in front of my amp and use the amp reverb. But I heard you get a nicer distortion/lead tone by using it in an effects loop. Is that wrong?

And the amp will be my main "away from home" amp as I'm not taking my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with me. I'm not keen on sticking headphones in my GT-8 though I've done so before and didn't like the feeling of not being able to hear little to nothing from outside the headphones even with low volume.
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#13
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I see.

I normally just stick my GT-8 in front of my amp and use the amp reverb. But I heard you get a nicer distortion/lead tone by using it in an effects loop. Is that wrong?

And the amp will be my main "away from home" amp as I'm not taking my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with me. I'm not keen on sticking headphones in my GT-8 though I've done so before and didn't like the feeling of not being able to hear little to nothing from outside the headphones even with low volume.


try one headphone in and the other not, then you can still talk to other people and hear what is going on
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#14
Here you go man, I just did a tone demo with it. Just showing how metal it can sound.
All I've got running in front of it is a Bad Monkey OD Pedal with the gain completely down.

Excuse the rough playing!
Blackstar HT-5 Tone Demo
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Here you go man, I just did a tone demo with it. Just showing how metal it can sound.
All I've got running in front of it is a Bad Monkey OD Pedal with the gain completely down.

Excuse the rough playing!
Blackstar HT-5 Tone Demo



Dude that's epic, thanks for that.
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Thanks man! I think it sounds kinda like a mesa dual rec. I think.


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#18
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Rofl, I haven't had much experience with other amps, cut me some slack. :P
#19
Dont buy an Axe then, for the same money.... buy a mesa

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#20
i'm actually tempted to not buy an amp and wait until the Bugera Trirec comes out
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#21
Yeah dude, what I'd do is invest in some good headphones or even something like the Tech 21 Power Engine if I wanted to do gigs. Modelers can sound good, but playing through most guitar amps will make them sound pretty horrible. I'd just play the modeler thru something neutral like the headphones or power engine (pretty cheap) and save up for bigger and badder things.
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