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#1
Misleading title - this thread isn't what you think it's about.

I'm from the UK, and from August I'll be on an exchange programme studying in Montreal. Here's the kicker: my girlfriend is on an exchange programme as well, studying in Amherst MA, which isn't a million miles away from me. In fact, it's about 400 miles.

Naturally I'll want to go visit her, but I've no idea how to travel in America. So far I've looked at:

- Amtrak - For some reason trains take about twelve hours and I have to transfer in New York. I'm more used to the British system, where trains go everywhere every half an hour, and are faster than driving. What the actual fuck?

- Greyhound - For some reason, coaches also take twelve hours and I have to transfer in Albany. Again, WTAF?

- Buying a car - I'll only ever use it to go to Amherst now and then, and it'll be expensive as hell, but it won't take twelve hours.

So, my dear Pit: how the hell do USAians/Canadians get places when they can't drive? And what the hell is wrong with America(an public transport)?

tldr: How do you get from Montreal to Amherst, MA without a car in under twelve hours, spending the least amount of money possible?
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#3
I drive. Even if it's really far away.

EDIT: if you don't have a car, i guess the best option would be train or bus.
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Buy a plane ticket and fly for about an hour or two.

Any idea how much that costs, where I can buy tickets, etc?
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#5
There are many things wrong with America.
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#7
Fly.

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#8
I usually just teleport.


Public transport sucks here, but most people have cars so it doesn't matter.
#9
There's something wrong with America because it doesn't provide public transit FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY?

I would suggest Greyhound. It's a bus company. Look into it.
#10
Quote by McTodd

- Amtrak - For some reason trains take about twelve hours and I have to transfer in New York. I'm more used to the British system, where trains go everywhere every half an hour, and are faster than driving. What the actual fuck?


When did this happen?
#11
Flying costs nearly $400 each way. EACH WAY.



I'm not fucking flying.
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#12
Edit: ^Well, what do you want to hear? Because there really aren't many other options if the idea of spending a half hour in a bus depot is really that unbearable to you.

Back in my day, we didn't have your fancy aeroplanes or locomotion vehicles to see our girlfriends. When I was a lad, we would circumnavigate the earth three times just to see them, in eight feet of snow, uphill. The earth was nothing but a rising incline back then! And we liked it!

But on-topic, if you're really that miffed about transfers, buy another plane ticket.
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Public transport sucks here, but most people have cars so it doesn't matter.

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#14
Trains in the U.S. take longer than trains in Britain because, YOU GUESSED IT!

Britain is smaller than a lot of our states....
#15
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There's something wrong with America because it doesn't provide public transit FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY?

I went Interrailling last year. That's a £300 train ticket that can get you anywhere in Europe all month. It's kind of a standard thing to have good transport links. So yes, there is something wrong.

Quote by SeveralSpecies
Trains in the U.S. take longer than trains in Britain because, YOU GUESSED IT!

Britain is smaller than a lot of our states....

I've been from London to Edinburgh. That's 400 miles. It took seven hours, not twelve, and I didn't have to transfer in Cornwall.
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#17
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Flying costs nearly $400 each way. EACH WAY.



I'm not fucking flying.



Well you clearly don't want to go too badly since every single option is unacceptable.
#18
Welcome to America where it costs abhorrent amounts of money to do something fast. Yeah, our transit system sucks, pretty much. The only thing we got going for us is this "freedom" thing. Too bad we're all slaves to the dollar
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Quote by McTodd
I went Interrailling last year. That's a £300 train ticket that can get you anywhere in Europe all month. It's kind of a standard thing to have good transport links. So yes, there is something wrong.

no one here uses public transport. Everyone just drives.


v And that. Why is this about the US when you are in Canada?
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#20
So you can't find cheap travel going from Montreal to MA and you blame our country on it?
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#21
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I've been from London to Edinburgh. That's 400 miles. It took seven hours, not twelve, and I didn't have to transfer in Cornwall.



That's a little different than going in and out of the U.S. don't you think?
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Well you clearly don't want to go too badly since every single option is unacceptable.

That's not really fair. I can't fly because I don't have the money. I was just wondering if I'm being a fool and missing something obvious, but I guess I'll suck it up and take the 12-hour coach.
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That's not really fair. I can't fly because I don't have the money. I was just wondering if I'm being a fool and missing something obvious, but I guess I'll suck it up and take the 12-hour coach.


The problem is that in America/Canada trains aren't a very popular form of travel, if you had a car it wouldn't be that bad.
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#24
America is much less compact than Britain, it would be tough to have trains that go everywhere so often, even in a given region. Also I guess they never really caught on... but they seem a good way to travel. I don't know if there's a route that services your area, but MEGABUS is a useful company that has variable rates--if you go at an off time (like 4 am on a Tuesday) you can ride for practically free.

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Quote by McTodd
Any idea how much that costs, where I can buy tickets, etc?


Try a site like expedia or travelocity. You can probably find a flight to Boston and drive west for a couple hours.
Driving might actually be better cheaper. Flying would take around 30 minutes.
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That's a little different than going in and out of the U.S. don't you think?


+1 Its because you are changing countries...
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#27
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I went Interrailling last year. That's a £300 train ticket that can get you anywhere in Europe all month. It's kind of a standard thing to have good transport links. So yes, there is something wrong.


See, the thing is most Americans have owned cars or motorcycles since the 1950's, when the start of the interstate highway system meant traveling across the 3.5 million square miles of America without riding a plane, which weren't as safe as they are nowadays, was actually becoming feasible. It's pretty much expected that most people over 21 have some sort of motorized transport. And given it's the third largest country and, as said, has millions of miles of land, much of it populated, it's not without reason.

Most people only take public transit locally, and even then the majority drive instead. As such, it's just not economically feasible to build a high-speed public transportation system when most people already and would still prefer to drive themselves. So yeah, you're not going to find the same quality or expediency in our public transportation as you would in Europe or the UK.
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#28
Thanks a whole bunch guys, there's a lot to think about (aboot?) here.

Probably should have called the thread "What the hell is wrong with America/Canada?" or "What the hell is wrong with North America?". I didn't mean to offend anybody, sorry if it seems like I'm taking the piss.
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America is much less compact than Britain, it would be tough to have trains that go everywhere so often, even in a given region. Also I guess they never really caught on... but they seem a good way to travel. I don't know if there's a route that services your area, but MEGABUS is a useful company that has variable rates--if you go at an off time (like 4 am on a Tuesday) you can ride for practically free.

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All of this. Rail Transportation in north America are more like something you do on special occasions. And, like was already said, America and Canada are both extremely larger, and cars and planes are more convenient here.

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See, the thing is most Americans have owned cars or motorcycles since the 1950's, when the start of the interstate highway system meant traveling across the 3.5 million square miles of America without riding a plane, which weren't as safe as they are nowadays, was actually becoming feasible. It's pretty much expected that most people over 21 have some sort of motorized transport. And given it's the third largest country and, as said, has millions of miles of land, much of it populated, it's not without reason.

Most people only take public transit locally, and even then the majority drive instead. As such, it's just not economically feasible to build a high-speed public transportation system when most people already and would still prefer to drive themselves. So yeah, you're not going to find the same quality or expediency in our public transportation as you would in Europe or the UK.


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Thanks a whole bunch guys, there's a lot to think about (aboot?) here.

Probably should have called the thread "What the hell is wrong with America/Canada?" or "What the hell is wrong with North America?". I didn't mean to offend anybody, sorry if it seems like I'm taking the piss.





I came into this thread all "Now hang on a damn minute!!!!.....oh well you see, yadda yadda yadda...."

also lols @ aboot.
#32
Wouldn't a better public transit system benefit the USA? It would solve congestion, you can do work in the train, less greenhouse gases are emitted. Seems like a win, win situation.
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#33
If trains in the US were faster and cheaper (Amtrak sucks balls) people would use them more.

That would lead to more train stations, less cars and trucks on the road, etc.

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Wouldn't a better public transit system benefit the USA? It would solve congestion, you can do work in the train, less greenhouse gases are emitted. Seems like a win, win situation.



Well that would be swell and all, but our automobile industry is already just totally dominant. You can't get everywhere via public transport right this second, so everyone is going to go for convenience over anything else. Since a car can take you anywhere at a fast rate, people here will always pick that.

Train prices have to come down, there have to be more rails, stations, etc.
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Well you clearly don't want to go too badly since every single option is unacceptable.

Yeah your bitching about every suggestion
#36
Why would you buy a car? Just rent one, if you don't know how to drive, then please don't attempt, American drivers are horrible, and they'll prolly run you off the road. Otherwise, fly.

Americans don't need public transportation outside the cities, because we all have cars, and we don't mind driving 400 miles. Plus, our cities are not packed close together like they are in Europe, so, your 30 minutes to get to one city to the next may be 50 miles, in America, it's more like 150 miles to each major city(ballparking).

Also, we have a amtrack here in Austin, but it only goes two places, downtown, and to the middle of flippen nowhere, and it shares the cargo trains track, so it can only run at a certain time. And you can't build a new track system because everything is already built, you have to pre plan a city with a track system before you build it. So if a city has no train system, then it's never gonna have one, the costs to do so are just too much.
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Why would you buy a car? Just rent one, if you don't know how to drive, then please don't attempt, American drivers are horrible, and they'll prolly run you off the road. Otherwise, fly.



This thread is now about which state has the worst drivers.


I vote anywhere in the mid-atlantic region. (People in Jersey and New York know how to drive, they just don't give a flying shit).
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Yeah... sorry. My degree is in linguistics, so I should know better. Ah, it was worth it for the lols.

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